Guelph Implodes

KorkerJim wrote:

wejo wrote:

I've never seen the SafeSport guidelines before. They seem pretty good except for one.

"An ethical coach will not text, email or call an athlete separately from teammates"

I can see tons of reasons a coach would text or email an athlete apart from their teammates or even call them - to give individual instruction. Am I way off base here?

Ya that's absurd.

All pro-active coaches text their athletes individually:

"Don't forget to ice your knee tonite."

"You left your flats at the track. I have them."

If you're still feeling sick, skip your morning run tomorrow."

....and on and on and on.

This is one of the major side effects of these perverts. Helpful and non-dangerous coaches have to step on glass to not appear unethical because of all the rules set up to prevent perverts. I understand these rules are made to protect the kids which is CRUCIAL. But if I need to text a runner about a grade-check am I going to get punished for not including a teammate or parent in the text? Really?

fred wrote:

" fred did not write:

The same lynch mob party on here wanting to tear the coach to shreds, are the same people who just last week were on these very same message boards gushing praise for Kobe Bryant and how wonderful he was and what a great person he was, despite the fact he was accused of sexual assault, battery and rape of a woman "

Fred did NOT write that and you are a criminal if you say he did. Effin trolls.

Who's feckin with the board.

fred wrote:

If a girl/woman moves into a house three houses away from you because she wants to be near you, and sends you love letters and texts, what conclusions can you draw? Infatuation?

And if you get involved with a woman who is either Borderline or Bipolar maybe you are going to go through heLL especially if you have sex with her.

Dude. Stop. I don't care if she was infatuated with him. He clearly was sending her loving emails.

If someone is infatuated with you, that means you can exploit the situation? No freaking way.

A coach has a great deal of power and it's their responsibility not to abuse it. Period.

Most teens - when everything is going perfectly well - are a psychological mess at age 17. Imagine what it's like when your mom goes from being perfectly healthy to dead within 17 days because she got bit by a mosquito.

casual obsever wrote:

I must say, it is a welcome change that you don't attack the witnesses and reporters this time, and don't downplay the disgusting abuser's actions. Good to see that there is a limit to your trolling.

Well I wouldn't agree with your characterization of "change", or"attack the witnesses and reporters", or "downplay the disgusting abuser's actions", or "trolling", but other than that, thanks for the appreciation.

I strive to attack words, and not people, when they fail to meet minimum standards, regardless of who said or wrote them..

rojo wrote:

Dude. Stop. I don't care if she was infatuated with him. He clearly was sending her loving emails.

If someone is infatuated with you, that means you can exploit the situation? No freaking way.

A coach has a great deal of power and it's their responsibility not to abuse it. Period.

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And she was sending him love letters. Who is exploiting who. And just because someone is a psychological mess, does not mean that they are not responsible for their actions.

Fred needs to read the law. It doesn’t matter if she was infatuated, or initiated the relationship. The onus is on the coach because THAT is the position power.

jimmyx wrote:

MB is not 0% innocent here

i really, really hope you never have daughters

"hey dad, uh, i was sexually assaulted and i need your help"

"well maybe you shouldn't have drank that beer"

danewrunner wrote:

And the only reason DST got canned is for athletics to protect themselves at the university and to get ahead of the story

no, he got fired because he's a sexual predator

not really all that difficult

fred wrote:

And she was sending him love letters. Who is exploiting who. And just because someone is a psychological mess, does not mean that they are not responsible for their actions.

hahahaha

yes, poor DST, that poor guy

the girl that he groomed and nurtured to emotionally depend on him in his position of power, what a huge exploiter of his pure and kind heart

you're such a scumbag

jimmyx wrote:

A well researched, one sided article. Not one quote siding with DST, and no follow up questions such as if things were so awful why did you move in beside him? Or run through the park where you would run into him many times in later years after the relationship.

Those are just two of many questions the one sided reporter did not follow up on...

If you want to share your side of the story, please email me at

or call me at 844-538-7786. If you think DST's story should have been told, well most of the blame is on him. He had the opportunity to deny the allegations but didn't. He could have said, "I had an inappropriate relationship with MB more than 15 years ago and am sorry that it happened but I deny that ** and ** happened." He didn't do that.

First off who the hell is Fred?

Secondly Megan clearly states she was not interested in him sexually. She had no attraction to him and when he told her he did she felt she had NO CHOICE . Do what he wanted or lose the one person she had become so dependent on, who she saw as a pillar of support with her best interest at heart during a very clouded time In her life she proceeded reluctantly. There is zero mental health issues at this time other than depression hopelessness loneliness and oh being a teenager (don’t know about you but teenagers aren’t exactly the most logical nor should they be expected to be as aware/prepared/have perspective as an adult.

Megan needed the medical system to give her support/councilling not medication.

As someone who knows this situation intimately from 2006 on I think Dave did a pretty stand up job of brain washing everyone (reid6, Hillary , Trent) with his lies and manipulation which is almost the worst part I think. Ruining her character over and over again years to come. Like where is the empathy/remorse? Oh right psychopaths don’t have remorse.

Ps WTF is he now?

An adult in Canada is 18. You are expected to start taking on adult responsibilities at 17

Jimyy, most of the people here are trolling. I wouldn't give them any inside information. Their goal is to dump a load of guano on you.

wejo wrote:

I can see tons of reasons a coach would text or email an athlete apart from their teammates or even call them - to give individual instruction. Am I way off base here?

As a long time U.S. high school coach, I sent many individual emails, texts, and calls for innocent reasons.

However, I CCed parents on every text and email and called/texted them for permission to call and asked that they talk to their son/daughter in depth about the conversation afterward if they consented. This was a minor inconvenience but avoided issues and also built trust in parents that I was there for them and not the other way around.

When I had minor issues with the athletic department on unrelated matters, guess who gave me their full support?

Why was she running in the woods behind Dave's house a couple of years ago. Post 30 year old relapse? You are full of cr@p.

brainwashing, huh? Was seeing your point until you decided to give yourself and your teammates a pass (national champs were you?)......and would you have given all that up at the time to do the right thing? didn't think so. how about this, you and the others just admit your actions that contributed to the harsh treatment of MB, express remorse and move on. Typical approach, deflect, distract and blame.

I am not talking about opening a bank account or driving a car. I am talking about emotional stability, life lessons, experience, being self sufficient something I didn’t get till 30s and based on the number of people who like you kn this thread Fred I am going to guess you still haven’t got there. So don’t throw some legal age bullshit at me. Any of the ppl that expressed immense quilt regarding being on the team in this era I gave them the encouragement that they also where just relatively kids now. Do you think the 21 year old who is now a doctor who works with kids in sexual abuse had the same rational logistically empathetic mind she has now?

I did not know for sure, as I did not attend guelph and see anything first hand. I heard very strong rumours from multiple people.

I did not report it, I would never report something that I only know through hearsay. I did tell many people about it though but again how many people actually knew 100% for sure. Only two, unless there were some voyeurs out there. Even if you heard from MB or DST unless you heard from both it isn't necessarily true.

Thanks for the person who brought up Moulton...I forgot about his part of the article. Smart guy, but one thing that is overlooked in this whole thing is that generally distance runners tend to be socially limited and do not fare well with the ladies, because of this I understand where a guy such as Moulton is coming from. He actually probably believed there was zero fire and it was all smoke, and DST was telling the truth...Add to this that DST was his idol he took it to the next level defending his mentor,. When I hear stories like this I tend to step back, and look at it as if I knew none of the names involved. This is why I have such a clear picture of what went down and most of you are too emotional to do the same. Must be your generation

This is a great point. How can I say they knew for sure when I have to admit I didn't know for sure but had strong assumptions. Well two reasons. They lived through it and went to school and secondly, I heard from two of those four. I also heard it from others who heard from the same two of those four. The 3rd of the four may not know but I doubt it since the third is now a spouse of one of the four.