Ghost of Igloi wrote:
you can never win an argument on facts.
You certainly don't.
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
you can never win an argument on facts.
You certainly don't.
Webtrends?
Chew on this wrote:
The Party wrote:
You have incorrectly assumed that the party was at Timmy's home. Kavanaugh and pals started drinking there, and then they left to crash other parties. What Ford testified about is that they arrived from somewhere else already drunk. Pay attention.
I said “as far as” and “up to”. I’ve assumed nothing. Like every other reasonable observer I am trying to fit available information into a picture and evaluate objectively.
You have provided nothing that proves the party was at Timmy's house. Ford provided testimony that some of the people from Timmy's party crashed the party she was at. They were already drunk.
So, stop claiming she walked 2+ hours home from Timmy's house. And that Timmy's house does not match the description of the house the event occurred at. There are "assumptions" on your part, or on the part of the media source you heard it from.
Avocado's Number wrote:
hytd wrote:
Let us note that The New Yorker is very hostile towards Trump, and it ran the Ronan Farrow co-authored story about Kavanaugh at the Yale University party where Deborah Ramirez claims someone/Kavanaugh exposed himself to her.
What on earth does that have to do with anything? It's hardly newsworthy that a magazine for literate people is hostile toward Donald Trump.
Tech tech. Just a little background info. Perhaps it is noteworthy when "The New York Times" declined to run the same story (that Farrow co-authored) claiming it could not substantiate it. I see issues of "The New Yorker" still delivered to a concierge desk in a Manhattan apartment building for people who ceased subscribing to it years ago. Financial desperation + animosity towards all things Trump = lowered journalistic standards.
Man wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Wrong, here is what the poster said:
“What I want to know is WTF were these kids' parents? Party here, party there, sex here, assaults there. And not a single parent walked in during one of these outrageous parties and put an end to this sh*$? If Kavanaugh's parents are alive today, they should be ashamed of their parenting. “
So the poster converts allegations into facts. Yet is so ignorant not to know that Kavanaugh’s parents were at the hearing.
It’s not a sin being unaware of the disposition of Kav parents. That said, it is egregious mistake to assume Yale students are incapable of drinking and assaulting women. You are a sick man
It is an egregious mistake to assume that a psychology instructor is incapable of creating a narrative that supports her political views. You are a delusional person (gender neutral of course).
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
It is an egregious mistake to assume that a psychology instructor is incapable of creating a narrative that supports her political views.
As compared to choir boy Kavanaugh who is far more partisan than Ford could ever be. "But Hillary!" as Kavanugh erupted during his testimony.
The Party wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
It is an egregious mistake to assume that a psychology instructor is incapable of creating a narrative that supports her political views.
As compared to choir boy Kavanaugh who is far more partisan than Ford could ever be. "But Hillary!" as Kavanugh erupted during his testimony.
You are of course ignoring Dr. Ford’s lawyer came from Feinstein and everything including her squester on the East Coast was arranged by the Democrats.
The Party wrote:
Chew on this wrote:
I said “as far as” and “up to”. I’ve assumed nothing. Like every other reasonable observer I am trying to fit available information into a picture and evaluate objectively.
You have provided nothing that proves the party was at Timmy's house. Ford provided testimony that some of the people from Timmy's party crashed the party she was at. They were already drunk.
So, stop claiming she walked 2+ hours home from Timmy's house. And that Timmy's house does not match the description of the house the event occurred at. There are "assumptions" on your part, or on the part of the media source you heard it from.
Who is Timmy? I make no reference to a Timmy. My frame of reference was the country club which was established to be 6.2 miles or 20 minutes by car distant from mer house. I don’t know where the party, er gathering, was. She wouldn’t or couldn’t say. Hence “as far as” or “up to”. I know of Kav, Ford, Pj, Judge, Kaiser and one other unidentified person. Who is Timmy?
Chew on this wrote:
Who is Timmy? I make no reference to a Timmy.
July 1st, 1982. This possible date was discussed with Kavanaugh during his testimony. Do try to keep up.
https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-calendar-july-1982.jpgThe Party wrote:
Chew on this wrote:
Who is Timmy? I make no reference to a Timmy.
July 1st, 1982. This possible date was discussed with Kavanaugh during his testimony. Do try to keep up.
https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/brett-kavanaugh-calendar-july-1982.jpg
I make no reference to Timmy
I make no reference to Timmy
I make no reference to Timmy
Good grief. Are you drunk?
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
sub_3_is_the_goal wrote:
No one is saying he isn't talented. or smart. And no one is saying he raped anyone. It is a sexual assault allegation and yes I do think that people can drink and also do well in school.
Wrong, here is what the poster said:
“What I want to know is WTF were these kids' parents? Party here, party there, sex here, assaults there. And not a single parent walked in during one of these outrageous parties and put an end to this sh*$? If Kavanaugh's parents are alive today, they should be ashamed of their parenting. “
So the poster converts allegations into facts. Yet is so ignorant not to know that Kavanaugh’s parents were at the hearing.
At least the "Party here, party there" bit is pretty well substantiated by multiple accounts, the yearbooks, and Judge's book.
Monkeys typing wrote:
Ghost of Igloi wrote:
Wrong, here is what the poster said:
“What I want to know is WTF were these kids' parents? Party here, party there, sex here, assaults there. And not a single parent walked in during one of these outrageous parties and put an end to this sh*$? If Kavanaugh's parents are alive today, they should be ashamed of their parenting. “
So the poster converts allegations into facts. Yet is so ignorant not to know that Kavanaugh’s parents were at the hearing.
At least the "Party here, party there" bit is pretty well substantiated by multiple accounts, the yearbooks, and Judge's book.
So what? That proves absoluely nothing.
Chew on this wrote:
Good grief.
Some 6 miles from the Country Club is Timmy's house. Your claim is it that it makes no sense for Ford to walk 6 miles home from the incident party. With the incident party being at Timmy's house. That "Timmy" Gaudette home does not match Ford's description. (There is no bathroom across from a bedroom on a second floor).
Here is my take on things. I think all parties are mostly telling the truth as they see it 35 plus years removed from the incident. I think there may have been a party. I think she may have been tackled and while holding her down they may have pulled on her clothes and brushed her breasts. And I think Mark Judge jumped on top and farted on everyone. I think they laughed because it was intended as a crude joke performed by a couple of high school kids from an all boys school that were socially awkward. I think the 4 people have no recollection of events because it was a relatively forgettable night (had there been screaming, yelling and fighting, people would have remembered). I don't think Ford screamed after being free because by her own admission she was not sure what had just happened. I think her recollection of events this far removed from the event has been affected by external influences and environmental factors over the years (and yes even political biases of her and her beach friends). I do not for a second think this was a rape attempt because two strong young men intent on rape against a slight young woman would not have been a rape attempt, it would have been a rape. I think her fears of enclosed spaces were made up to create delays in the investigation / nomination process. I am certain the democrats held the information and intentionally leaked the information because they were desperate and didn't care if they created a wave of human carnage for Ford, Kavanaugh and all those associated with them (they view it as collateral damage). I think her testimony has been coached for quite some time to appear as believable as possible and I am certain the public forum was chosen in order to make certain she was treated with kid gloves and not rigorously cross examined. I don't believe that a minor groping another minor should preclude an individual from serving on the supreme court, just as I do not believe that Senator Cory Booker should not be precluded from serving on the senate for groping another minor when he was 15 (by his own admission). I think Kavanaugh's impressive career should be the focus, not some juvenile indiscretion that all involved parties have vague recollections of.
Far too many assumptions. The paragraph is your friend, not your enemy.
joedirt wrote:
Here is my take on things. I think all parties are mostly telling the truth as they see it 35 plus years removed from the incident. I think there may have been a party. I think she may have been tackled and while holding her down they may have pulled on her clothes and brushed her breasts. And I think Mark Judge jumped on top and farted on everyone. I think they laughed because it was intended as a crude joke performed by a couple of high school kids from an all boys school that were socially awkward. I think the 4 people have no recollection of events because it was a relatively forgettable night (had there been screaming, yelling and fighting, people would have remembered). I don't think Ford screamed after being free because by her own admission she was not sure what had just happened. I think her recollection of events this far removed from the event has been affected by external influences and environmental factors over the years (and yes even political biases of her and her beach friends). I do not for a second think this was a rape attempt because two strong young men intent on rape against a slight young woman would not have been a rape attempt, it would have been a rape. I think her fears of enclosed spaces were made up to create delays in the investigation / nomination process. I am certain the democrats held the information and intentionally leaked the information because they were desperate and didn't care if they created a wave of human carnage for Ford, Kavanaugh and all those associated with them (they view it as collateral damage). I think her testimony has been coached for quite some time to appear as believable as possible and I am certain the public forum was chosen in order to make certain she was treated with kid gloves and not rigorously cross examined. I don't believe that a minor groping another minor should preclude an individual from serving on the supreme court, just as I do not believe that Senator Cory Booker should not be precluded from serving on the senate for groping another minor when he was 15 (by his own admission). I think Kavanaugh's impressive career should be the focus, not some juvenile indiscretion that all involved parties have vague recollections of.
The party wrote:
Chew on this wrote:
Good grief.
Some 6 miles from the Country Club is Timmy's house. Your claim is it that it makes no sense for Ford to walk 6 miles home from the incident party. With the incident party being at Timmy's house. That "Timmy" Gaudette home does not match Ford's description. (There is no bathroom across from a bedroom on a second floor).
At the televised session Rachel Mitchell produced a map that showed Ford’s house at athe time to be 6.2 miles away from the country club. Ford confirmed that it was about a 20 minute ride by car.
Ford couldn’t say where the party was, other than that it was between the CC and her house. So I said it would have been “up to” or “as far as”.
I don’t know who Timmy is, and make no mention of him.
Please do try and read carefully and comprehend.
Chew on this wrote:
Please do try and read carefully and comprehend.
You have failed to do thus so far.
Pay attention. Ford testified she went to the Country Club nearly every day that summer. While you claim that is:
One aspect about the house thing is this unknown location is as far as 6.2 miles from the country club as the crow flies. I also heard 20 minutes by car which equates to roughly 10 miles at 30mph. That’s up to a 2 hour walk home which for me would be quite memorable. Remember that she claims to have dashed out of the house so she would have left her purse etc.
No one has touched on what time of day this happened but parties and drinking don’t usually happen till the end of the day, so it would have been a walk home in the dark.
Move on to something else. There is no connection for the incident occurring at Timmy's house, Ford's house, or the Country Club. You have no basis for a 6.2 mile walk home in the dark.
Kay Tyler wrote:
Flagpole wrote:
Dude don't challenge me...seriously. I'm all over this like stink on a monkey. Have you read her full declaration? Have you read the news stories about her ex-boyfriend that paint HIM as the one who is not reliable? Have you heard Avenatti talk about the declaration and push back on the news anchors' assertion that it doesn't say Kavanaugh assaulted her? Avenatti is saying she was gang raped and that Kavanaugh was one of the participants and that she saw them both awaiting their turn with a "girl" in one of the rooms after they helped drug her. She then became a victim of one of these gang rapes where she says in the declaration that "Mark Judge and Brett Kavanaugh were present". This is the part Avenatti push back on and said that does NOT mean they didn't rape her and said that in fact she is alleging that Kavanaugh did. Avenatti has also said in one of his interviews that Swetnick did not know for sure what was going on in these rooms where she saw the line up of "boys" until it happened to her...then she put it together and never went to another such party.
Regarding the parties, I have said this before, but it was a tad different when the drinking age was 18 (just turned to 21 in 1982, but Kavanaugh drank beer supposedly in high school the whole time). These people, especially people two years older than Kavanaugh at the time like Swetnick often were at "house parties" as Swetnick called them with people who were still in high school. She went to a party at a house. It wasn't a "high school" party. She went to parties where Kavanaugh and Judge often were. She didn't go there because they were there...they just WERE there. I went to high school in the 80s, and while I was NOT a partier, I knew guys who were, and they often had stories of going to parties where there were lots of college aged and even older people. I remember one such dude (he was a dude) on our cross country team who was teased by a couple of his buddies for "hooking up with that old lady". What's old to an 18 year old?
Flagpole - You are incorrect on this. Read the declaration...carefully. Also, your personal high school experiences have nothing to do with this case. Why even bring them up.
I read the declaration. I was referring to what Avenatti SAID in an interview, but this latest interview he gave this morning somewhat backtracks what he said, so I will admit I'm a little disappointed in how he has represented himself in his last two televised interviews...definitely conflicting information whether intentional or not. To be clear, I was not making any assumptions based on the declaration. I was talking about what Avenatti himself said about the declaration...something, again, that he backtracked today.
The Party wrote:
Chew on this wrote:
Please do try and read carefully and comprehend.
You have failed to do thus so far.
Pay attention. Ford testified she went to the Country Club nearly every day that summer. While you claim that is:
One aspect about the house thing is this unknown location is as far as 6.2 miles from the country club as the crow flies. I also heard 20 minutes by car which equates to roughly 10 miles at 30mph. That’s up to a 2 hour walk home which for me would be quite memorable. Remember that she claims to have dashed out of the house so she would have left her purse etc.
No one has touched on what time of day this happened but parties and drinking don’t usually happen till the end of the day, so it would have been a walk home in the dark.
Move on to something else. There is no connection for the incident occurring at Timmy's house, Ford's house, or the Country Club. You have no basis for a 6.2 mile walk home in the dark.
Up to.
As far as.
Timmy who?
I give up. Have a nice day.
Chew on this wrote:
The Party wrote:
Move on to something else. There is no connection for the incident occurring at Timmy's house, Ford's house, or the Country Club. You have no basis for a 6.2 mile walk home in the dark.
Up to.
As far as.
Timmy who?
I give up. Have a nice day.
Move on to something else. There was zero basis for your claim of a 6.2 mile walk home from the incident in the dark of night.
