Parra is crazyy. I think you guys have forgotten that Andreas Dybdhal was the 2x state champion in the 1600 and ran a 4:03 1600 split at the Hoka Festival of Miles (I think the full mile time was around 4:04 or 4:05). There’s also Anthony Fasthorse and Grant Morgenfeld- hell even Fasthorse’s teammate, Micah Grossman, had more of a shot than Parra. Not discrediting Parra as an athlete at all, but out of all the people who could’ve broken 4 in the mile, there are more runners from his class I’d say had more of a chance than Parra in this context.
Parra is crazyy. I think you guys have forgotten that Andreas Dybdhal was the 2x state champion in the 1600 and ran a 4:03 1600 split at the Hoka Festival of Miles (I think the full mile time was around 4:04 or 4:05). There’s also Anthony Fasthorse and Grant Morgenfeld- hell even Fasthorse’s teammate, Micah Grossman, had more of a shot than Parra. Not discrediting Parra as an athlete at all, but out of all the people who could’ve broken 4 in the mile, there are more runners from his class I’d say had more of a chance than Parra in this context.
You guys do know that Parra graduated as a 17 year old and lack physical maturity. Had he stayed in high school for another year he likely breaks 4.
Parra is crazyy. I think you guys have forgotten that Andreas Dybdhal was the 2x state champion in the 1600 and ran a 4:03 1600 split at the Hoka Festival of Miles (I think the full mile time was around 4:04 or 4:05). There’s also Anthony Fasthorse and Grant Morgenfeld- hell even Fasthorse’s teammate, Micah Grossman, had more of a shot than Parra. Not discrediting Parra as an athlete at all, but out of all the people who could’ve broken 4 in the mile, there are more runners from his class I’d say had more of a chance than Parra in this context.
You guys do know that Parra graduated as a 17 year old and lack physical maturity. Had he stayed in high school for another year he likely breaks 4.
Parra is crazyy. I think you guys have forgotten that Andreas Dybdhal was the 2x state champion in the 1600 and ran a 4:03 1600 split at the Hoka Festival of Miles (I think the full mile time was around 4:04 or 4:05). There’s also Anthony Fasthorse and Grant Morgenfeld- hell even Fasthorse’s teammate, Micah Grossman, had more of a shot than Parra. Not discrediting Parra as an athlete at all, but out of all the people who could’ve broken 4 in the mile, there are more runners from his class I’d say had more of a chance than Parra in this context.
You guys do know that Parra graduated as a 17 year old and lack physical maturity. Had he stayed in high school for another year he likely breaks 4.
Or look at the Wake Forest cross country roster website. It lists his birthday in September 2006. He is still 18 today as a rising sophomore in college.
According to a comment by Aydon in a cross country express post he’s September 22, Grant is September 15. Either Aydon should’ve graduated by now or Grant should be in high school still lol.
As I think about it, if Morgenfeld and Parra did stay another year (or if there was some sort of alternate universe where they were held back), they would’ve actually been insane. A 17 year old Morgenfeld ran 4:05 and 8:41- imagine if he was a senior in hs. Same can be said about Parra. I could imagine them being somewhere within Noonan’s 1600 times (or lower) and sub 8:40
Not to be a total wet blanket here, and no disrepect to any of the guys being discussed as they are all studs, but have any of them gotten even remotely close to breaking 4 as collegiate freshmen? Seems kind of silly to be saying they would have done it this year as 5th year seniors when, in fact, they have not been able to manage it a year later.
Not to mention Noonan beat every single one of these guys at the 1600 and 3200 last year, and oh-by-the-way is an actual, current, still-racing high school senior.
Not to be a total wet blanket here, and no disrepect to any of the guys being discussed as they are all studs, but have any of them gotten even remotely close to breaking 4 as collegiate freshmen? Seems kind of silly to be saying they would have done it this year as 5th year seniors when, in fact, they have not been able to manage it a year later.
Not to mention Noonan beat every single one of these guys at the 1600 and 3200 last year, and oh-by-the-way is an actual, current, still-racing high school senior.
They haven’t, but that’s to be expected because they are adjusting to new training. some people adjust quickly, like JoJo Jordan, but the vast majority of college athletes do not adjust their freshman year.
Technically, Noonan didn’t beat Morgenfeld in the 3200 at Hoka. Grant literally ran 2 seconds faster than Noonan’s state 3200 time at nationals. That’s not to discredit Noonan’s win streak over those two athletes plus he barely beat Grant at state by the teeth of his skin.
if i was a coach, I would take parra over any california runner. If he was still here the california scene would of have been more epic. He finished top 10 at nxn so he was the fastest california cross country runner and he also pushed big races
According to a comment by Aydon in a cross country express post he’s September 22, Grant is September 15. Either Aydon should’ve graduated by now or Grant should be in high school still lol.
To be fair, I graduated hs at 17 but my birthday was two weeks later. Plus I knew a lot of people in my grade who were way off the cut off date but were still in my grade (either they started school early or skipped a grade- I’m 2004 btw)
Moving on from this topic, tho I will say age discussion is interesting
I don't mind discussing it as long as people aren't accusing and starting pointless arguments over it (aside from the blatantly obvious ones)
I graduated at 17 as well but I have a September birthday. In short, many kids who graduate HS at 17 and do not turn 18 until August/September-December of that year, are considered very young for their grade and generally would be held back.
In fact, I myself was supposed to be held back for that exact reason but the district I lived with at the time refused. It's commonly known as the Kindergarten Redshirt
This "redshirt" eventually became a requirement in CA and has been for quite some time now, and those with later birthdays are among the oldest instead of the youngest, which is better for students developmentally.
Beforehand, CA had one of the latest cutoffs in the country (I think December) allowing children as young as 4 years and 9 months to enroll in kindergarten. That's why there are still a few stragglers such as myself who graduate HS at a younger age than average.
This will most likely no longer be the case at all within the next year or two though.