This thread was deleted by a volunteer moderator. I certainly don't want a thread this big deleted so I've restored. THat being said, this thread has served it's purpose. I've closed it to new posts.
We have a new 2024 vaccine thread here. New people don't need to try to wade through 20,000 posts to figure out what is going on.
As COVID-19 vaccination rates decrease in Saskatchewan, Premier Scott Moe has reiterated that it continues to be the sole responsibility of residents to keep up to date in their immunizations.
I think I saw that only 17% of USA got the bivalent booster. So if people are still “dying suddenly” in droves how does that work? (I.e. how to you make the claim that the mRNA caused any deaths?) How is that explained and why not present your evidence at a public comment FDA meeting instead of publishing nonsense on some crazy blog and arguing with people here?
& Johnson&Johnson off immediately following VAERS showing blood clots
so anti mRNA, if they believe what they believe, have got to be crying and going home devastated or thinking they are watching others die I guess, right?
I think I saw that only 17% of USA got the bivalent booster. So if people are still “dying suddenly” in droves how does that work? (I.e. how to you make the claim that the mRNA caused any deaths?) How is that explained and why not present your evidence at a public comment FDA meeting instead of publishing nonsense on some crazy blog and arguing with people here?
You're kind of not allowed to talk about vaccine deaths on most platforms. Elected officials who dare discuss it in legislatures around the globe are walked out on.
A 14-year-old Japanese girl died unexpectedly 2 days after receiving the third dose of the BNT1262b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. Autopsy findings showed congestive edema of the lungs, T-cell lymphocytic and macrophage infiltration...
I think I saw that only 17% of USA got the bivalent booster. So if people are still “dying suddenly” in droves how does that work? (I.e. how to you make the claim that the mRNA caused any deaths?) How is that explained and why not present your evidence at a public comment FDA meeting instead of publishing nonsense on some crazy blog and arguing with people here?
You're kind of not allowed to talk about vaccine deaths on most platforms. Elected officials who dare discuss it in legislatures around the globe are walked out on.
Here's someone who died from an mRNA vaccine. But, we're not allowed to talk about it on places like Facebook or YouTube.
The whole "we're going to cover our ears and hope people get bored" game isn't going to work.
Oh? must be a secret that only blogger elites with no formal medical training/established credentials know right? Or fringe people with that (small percentage of MDs risking losing medical license promoting false treatments)? Is it possible if you are the government&public health authorities and you are trying to run a public health campaign to promote a vaccine that was actually safe, wouldn’t you have some motivation to curtail the crazies/still allow us some free speech but all of this during a medical emergency so that we can try to approach the so called herd immunity or at least try? Some of the crazies obviously prevented a lot of people from getting vaccinated through spread of fear/misinformation , but you know …
Non-Spike, T Cell directed vaccines! In clinical trials! Lead Foil Hat? Covidicy? Excited?
Co-administration of the original spike vaccine along with a new mRNA encoding parts of the N, S and ORF1ab... worked very well.
In vivo, BNT162b4 generates robust, multifunctional T-cell responses against three antigens in multiple mouse models. The combination of BNT162b4 and BNT162b2 broadens the antigen-specific T-cell repertoire but does not negatively impact the BNT162b2 induced neutralizing antibody response against the S protein. Similarly, co-administration of BNT162b4 with BNT162b2 does not impair the repertoire, frequency, and functional phenotype of S-specific T cells induced by BNT162b2. However, a decrease in cytokine secretion in N- and M- specific T cells is detected when BNT162b4 is given in combination with BNT162b2 compared with BNT162b4 alone. This may indicate some competition between the responses to the S protein versus the responses to N and M proteins. While the exact reason is unknown, it could potentially be caused due to differences in epitope abundance and presentation of BNT162b2 versus BNT162b4 epitopes or immunodominance of S-specific T cells. It is important to note that despite this potential interference, BNT162b4 broadens the total T-cell responses to additional SARS-CoV-2 antigens. Most importantly, we found that the immunity induced by BNT162b4 reduces disease severity in a SARS-CoV-2 hamster challenge model across various viral variants. Combining BNT162b2 with BNT162b4 enhances the protection against viral challenge, and this added benefit is most clearly demonstrated when hamsters are challenged with the Delta variant which is characterized by a more severe disease pathology. The ability for viral-specific T cells to directly protect against severe disease has been suggested in several studies through correlations and preclinical experiments. Here, we directly demonstrate that the addition of the T-cell-targeting vaccine component BNT162b4 further enhances immune protection to that conferred by BNT162b2 when the two are combined, as measured through lower viral titers, improved lung pathology, and a decrease of weight loss seen in animals challenged with SARS-CoV-2 variants. Interestingly, when animals are challenged by the WT strain or the Delta variant, BNT162b4-driven immune responses confer protection that appears to be particularly influential in nasal turbinates, potentially suggesting a role for increased immunity in the mucosal membrane, where accessibility to IgG is limited and offers less protection. When animals are challenged with the Omicron BA.1 variant, the lack of detection of reduction in viral titers could potentially be due to the lower overall viral burden of the variant or the lower inflammatory response associated with the Omicron strain. The protection in the upper respiratory tract offered by the addition of BNT162b4, whether through the presence of tissue-resident memory T cells or T-cell migration upon infection is particularly attractive, as it could point to a potential for a decreased transmission rate. This phenomenon is similar to a study which suggested that T-cell responses to ORF1ab polyprotein could give rise to more abortive infections, potentially through targeting of early infected cells. Potent memory T-cell responses activated rapidly following infection would likely mean less time for intra-host viral spread and activation of immune-evasion mechanisms.
Adding non-spike targeting components to mRNA vaccination elicits promising T cell responses against SARS-CoV-2 variant strains in rodent models of COVID-19
You're kind of not allowed to talk about vaccine deaths on most platforms. Elected officials who dare discuss it in legislatures around the globe are walked out on.
Here's someone who died from an mRNA vaccine. But, we're not allowed to talk about it on places like Facebook or YouTube.
The whole "we're going to cover our ears and hope people get bored" game isn't going to work.
Oh? must be a secret that only blogger elites with no formal medical training/established credentials know right? Or fringe people with that (small percentage of MDs risking losing medical license promoting false treatments)? Is it possible if you are the government&public health authorities and you are trying to run a public health campaign to promote a vaccine that was actually safe, wouldn’t you have some motivation to curtail the crazies/still allow us some free speech but all of this during a medical emergency so that we can try to approach the so called herd immunity or at least try? Some of the crazies obviously prevented a lot of people from getting vaccinated through spread of fear/misinformation , but you know …
So called herd immunity?
Maybe since the jab does not stop transmission and has harmed so many people it should be avoided.
Oh? must be a secret that only blogger elites with no formal medical training/established credentials know right? Or fringe people with that (small percentage of MDs risking losing medical license promoting false treatments)? Is it possible if you are the government&public health authorities and you are trying to run a public health campaign to promote a vaccine that was actually safe, wouldn’t you have some motivation to curtail the crazies/still allow us some free speech but all of this during a medical emergency so that we can try to approach the so called herd immunity or at least try? Some of the crazies obviously prevented a lot of people from getting vaccinated through spread of fear/misinformation , but you know …
So called herd immunity?
Maybe since the jab does not stop transmission and has harmed so many people it should be avoided.
What if I told you there was something that also doesn't stop infection, and has harmed and killed millions more people than the vaccine. Would you also avoid that?
Maybe since the jab does not stop transmission and has harmed so many people it should be avoided.
What if I told you there was something that also doesn't stop infection, and has harmed and killed millions more people than the vaccine. Would you also avoid that?
Does not stop transmission, infection, serious illness, hospitalization or death. The downward trajectory of the infection fatality rate throughout 2020 is proof. Those "vaccines" may as well have been a shot of normal saline.
What number "booster" are the poor misguided souls getting today ?
What if I told you there was something that also doesn't stop infection, and has harmed and killed millions more people than the vaccine. Would you also avoid that?
Does not stop transmission, infection, serious illness, hospitalization or death. The downward trajectory of the infection fatality rate throughout 2020 is proof. Those "vaccines" may as well have been a shot of normal saline.
What number "booster" are the poor misguided souls getting today ?
Ok so now you’re just lying? Or are you that deluded? Can you show any evidence the vaccine doesn’t stop severe disease or death? Downward IFR? How does the IFR of COVID pre-vaccines mean anything? The Delta wave in 2021 killed many more unvax than vax. This is hilarious even for you. I get it. All your claims of mass injury and death vaccines are probably false so you are now falling back to saying “tel hey are useless!”
Every 4-6 months DanM reads some new snippet and repeats it endlessly to feel smart. Now it’s “downward IFR in 2020” - which has NO bearing on vaccine efficacy but he’s mentioned in all of the 6 threads he bumped to get attention. Chronic social media addiction is sad. Even for boomers.
Every 4-6 months DanM reads some new snippet and repeats it endlessly to feel smart. Now it’s “downward IFR in 2020” - which has NO bearing on vaccine efficacy but he’s mentioned in all of the 6 threads he bumped to get attention. Chronic social media addiction is sad. Even for boomers.
Going outside now. Beautiful day in the Greater Boston area. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. You should try it sometime.
Does not stop transmission, infection, serious illness, hospitalization or death. The downward trajectory of the infection fatality rate throughout 2020 is proof. Those "vaccines" may as well have been a shot of normal saline.
What number "booster" are the poor misguided souls getting today ?
Ok so now you’re just lying? Or are you that deluded? Can you show any evidence the vaccine doesn’t stop severe disease or death? Downward IFR? How does the IFR of COVID pre-vaccines mean anything? The Delta wave in 2021 killed many more unvax than vax. This is hilarious even for you. I get it. All your claims of mass injury and death vaccines are probably false so you are now falling back to saying “tel hey are useless!”
predictable but hilarious.
His criteria is "does not stop . . ." which is strictly true.
An 80% reduction in deaths due to covid, for instance, is not a 100% reduction, hence vaccination does not stop covid deaths.
It is also the case that the rational decision is to significantly mitigate a bad outcome even if it does not completely eliminate the possibility of a particular bad outcome. That is, by the criteria he's set, his statement is true, but is an unreasonable expectation.
It seems most (?) often trolls prefer not to strictly engage in untruths when they can use these sorts of half-truths. There is apparently some perception of honor in engaging in what is fundamentally anti-social behaviors.