Guelph Implodes

wejo wrote:

I've never seen the SafeSport guidelines before. They seem pretty good except for one.

"An ethical coach will not text, email or call an athlete separately from teammates"

I can see tons of reasons a coach would text or email an athlete apart from their teammates or even call them - to give individual instruction. Am I way off base here?

Ya that's absurd.

All pro-active coaches text their athletes individually:

"Don't forget to ice your knee tonite."

"You left your flats at the track. I have them."

If you're still feeling sick, skip your morning run tomorrow."

....and on and on and on.

jimmyx wrote:

A well researched, one sided article. Not one quote siding with DST, and no follow up questions such as if things were so awful why did you move in beside him? Or run through the park where you would run into him many times in later years after the relationship.

Those are just two of many questions the one sided reporter did not follow up on...

There is nothing wrong with a well-researched one sided article, if it is on the right side.

When you understand the psychology of abusive relationships, there is no need to follow up on your questions. Victims trapped in abusive relationships do irrational things, easily seen in hindsight by outside observers.

Recall the reporting is from months of research from 70 coaches and athletes, two years of love letters, university historical records, etc., not to mention the quick termination of the coach, after weeks of an investigation by his university, presumably relying on more than the Globe article.

I must say, it is a welcome change that you don't attack the witnesses and reporters this time, and don't downplay the disgusting abuser's actions. Good to see that there is a limit to your trolling.

He says, while attacking other observers.

One of my bigger issues is that DST is the only bad guy here. I know for a fact, Reid, Taylor, Hillary, and Trent all knew. Yet in the article they are alloed a brief comment saying they wish they knew earlier and feel awful...that is complete BS. Why no follow up questions with them, why are they allowed off easy.

Now I don't fault those 4 + the others on campus who knew and said nothing, but they are getting off pretty easy here.

My issue has never been did it happen, my issue is that DST is not the only one at fault here, and MB is not 0% innocent here...if she comes out with a lawsuit which reveals another motive, then will you change your mind?

jimmyx wrote:

My issue has never been did it happen, my issue is that DST is not the only one at fault here

Yes he is. If not for his own actions there would truly be nothing here. If he doesn’t abuse his position to groom a minor for sex non e of this happens and he still has his job, prestige, and family.

wrong.....abusers gets their way because of enablers. those 4 named are painting themselves as almost victims themselves while stepping out on twitter and taking a moral stand.....why don't they show some courage themselves and fess up with their role in blackballing MB. I guess if you don't have a conscience, there's nothing to clear. Here's a question for them. When MB was trashing the field at the national championships with UofT, were any of them at the rope line as she ran by and kept quiet? Let me guess, they probably don't recall. And the only reason DST got canned is for athletics to protect themselves at the university and to get ahead of the story. Wonder why C.Moulton's take is on this? anyone bother to ask?

wejo wrote:

I can see tons of reasons a coach would text or email an athlete apart from their teammates or even call them - to give individual instruction. Am I way off base here?

Yup.

jimmyx wrote:

One of my bigger issues is that DST is the only bad guy here. I know for a fact, Reid, Taylor, Hillary, and Trent all knew.

Big if true. How do you know this? Consider reporting to relevant groups?

read the original article in the Globe&Mail. Reid admitted as much as to have contributed to the MB blackballing. Now, read his public tweets where he's claiming he knew absolutely nothing was going on and had nothing to do with any of this $hitshow, despite being in DST's inner circle for years. DST isn't the only dbag related to this story.

danewrunner wrote:

read the original article in the Globe&Mail. Reid admitted as much as to have contributed to the MB blackballing. Now, read his public tweets where he's claiming he knew absolutely nothing was going on and had nothing to do with any of this $hitshow, despite being in DST's inner circle for years. DST isn't the only dbag related to this story.

I have read the Globe article, twice in fact.

I am more curious about the others that Jimmyx mentions and how he knows for a fact that they all knew. Does this mean that he also knew and did nothing?

that's my question as well. DST is deservedly being raked over the coals and I get that there are those that wouldn't intervene, couldn't intervene, or truly were in the dark. Pathetic to see those that knew now stepping forward to CYA and posting tearful, heartfelt messages on social media. Lots of people still hiding in plain sight hoping not to get noticed.

disgusting swine can get kicked wrote:

fred wrote:

The same lynch mob party on here wanting to tear the coach to shreds, are the same people who just last week were on these very same message boards gushing praise for Kobe Bryant and how wonderful he was and what a great person he was, despite the fact he was accused of sexual assault, battery and rape of a woman

I hope you are better at not raping than you are at logic. Let's see here...

In Bryant's case, a 24 year-old man had sex, on one occasion, with a 20 year-old and there was later a disagreement about consent.

In DST's case, a 38 year-old had an ongoing relationship, including repeated sex, with a 16 year-old, who by law cannot give consent to sex with an authority figure.

Can you tell there difference? Can you?

I never wrote that. You are twisting the set up to defame me. You are committing fraud.

disgusting swine can get kicked is a criminal

Trent was on the team as an athlete in 2001

https://gryphons.ca/sports/2012/5/17/GEN_0517125658.aspx?id=193

This means he was on the team when DST was having a relationship with Megan and stuck around until 2006 in Guelph. How can he or Hilary possibly claim they heard nothing in their time in Guelph. It's clear that the "crazy Megan Brown" rumour persisted on the team to today. It's hard to believe they didn't hear it once then. They are simply ass covering online.

If a girl/woman moves into a house three houses away from you because she wants to be near you, and sends you love letters and texts, what conclusions can you draw? Infatuation?

And if you get involved with a woman who is either Borderline or Bipolar maybe you are going to go through heLL especially if you have sex with her.

mayday wrote:

danewrunner wrote:

read the original article in the Globe&Mail. Reid admitted as much as to have contributed to the MB blackballing. Now, read his public tweets where he's claiming he knew absolutely nothing was going on and had nothing to do with any of this $hitshow, despite being in DST's inner circle for years. DST isn't the only dbag related to this story.

I have read the Globe article, twice in fact.

I am more curious about the others that Jimmyx mentions and how he knows for a fact that they all knew. Does this mean that he also knew and did nothing?

jimmy doesn't believe anything should have been done except blame MB. He's done that.

fred wrote:

disgusting swine can get kicked wrote:

I hope you are better at not raping than you are at logic. Let's see here...

In Bryant's case, a 24 year-old man had sex, on one occasion, with a 20 year-old and there was later a disagreement about consent.

In DST's case, a 38 year-old had an ongoing relationship, including repeated sex, with a 16 year-old, who by law cannot give consent to sex with an authority figure.

Can you tell there difference? Can you?

I never wrote that. You are twisting the set up to defame me. You are committing fraud.

Fred Urie; this post is incoherent even judged against the low standard you have set. Stating facts is not "twisting the setup". Stating facts is not "committing fraud".

jimmyx wrote:

One of my bigger issues is that DST is the only bad guy here. I know for a fact, Reid, Taylor, Hillary, and Trent all knew.

Interesting that you know for a fact that these people knew. I think the only way that this group could KNOW is a) they witness DST and MB having sex, b) they were cc'd on correspondence between the two, or c) MB/family took their complaints to the above group after non-action by AC/Guelph.

These all seem unlikely to me...

It is likely that they had heard rumours, which have been reported by many others in the Guelph/Canadian running community. However, if these rumours were denied by DST, their (in retrospect should not have been) trusted coach, what more should one expect of them?

With that said, I think some sort of public statement beyond 140 characters from some/all of these individuals would go a long way and help provide some clarity. And they can't be faulted for taking some time to process this- if this was revealed about somebody that I knew well, I'd have many questions, many people that I'd want to talk to, etc.