What the hell are you talking about? Who are all of those East Africans dominating in HS? There is exactly one East African on the all time top 10 list - Cheserek.
What the hell are you talking about? Who are all of those East Africans dominating in HS? There is exactly one East African on the all time top 10 list - Cheserek.
Thank you for - indirectly - admitting that you were lying and that I did indeed read the paper including the appendix.
Will you now stop trolling me, or keep piling on?
rojo:
Ches not in top 10 all time in mile
No EA in top 10 of 2000 ST
Ches #6 in 3000, 9 sec off record
Ches #4 in 2 mile, 10 sec off record
Ches #7 in 3k ST, 13 sec off record
Ches #7 in 5K, 20 sec off record
His times are sick.
casual obsever wrote:
Thank you for - indirectly - admitting that you were lying and that I did indeed read the paper including the appendix.
Will you now stop trolling me, or keep piling on?
Well, I said "It looks like you still haven't read that study beyond the abstract."
This isn't a direct accusation that you haven't read the material, but rather a personal perception of appearance, based on repeating a conclusion that cannot be found in the paper or appendix.
Even worse, you said this is something "we know", when the authors use other words, like "the analysis suggests".
You must also be aware of the shortcomings of the survey technique that they used, being familiar with the literature.
Why don't you rekrunner somebody else, troll?
Why don't you troll somebody else, rekrunner?
Very clever. I remind you that it was you who first trolled me in this thread, on the very first page, with a fabrication, and then name-calling.
The head of the AIU, Brett Clothier, alluded to something in past interviews that those who are vainly bawling for Kenya to get banned as a country (including Letsrun, apparently) are failing to consider: the AIU already spends a disproportionately large quota of its resources on Kenya because, according to Clothier, they're successful. For them, it makes little sense to incur expenses in places like the UK, Australia or India. Look: If you put all your cops in one neighbourhood, you're bound to catch all your criminals there. So please spare me the "doping-in-Kenya-is-so-out-of-hand-ban-them-now" sanctimony. It's mind-numbingly stupid.
While I understand the sole motive for this very hypocritical stance is to try and remove perceived obstacles to western success at the global stage, what next? Assuming you all get your wish and Kenya does indeed get banned for consistently catching dopers - which, by the way, no other country in the world is doing - how/when do they get back in? By improving testing? It's now the strictest regime in the world and is yielding actual results.
We've heard (anecdotally) of a couple of more recognisable names pending release this year. I'm more interested in the aftermath. Will the busts taper off or will the government have to get involved by emulating Ethiopia and start restricting foreign contact?
How many more Kenyans have been busted since you left the board (served 6 months in prison) early last year after finally admitting Kenya had a rampant doping problem?
Are you really saying that Wanijuru was tested more times last year than the Ingebrigtsens?
And you really want Brother Colm and Canova to be banned from Kenya?
I need to add something about Wanjiru, who's widely regarded as an honest chap, and other ABP busts. I hope the science behind this is sound. It would be incredibly sad if innocent victims were going down. I think there's no way an ABP violation would hold in a Western court for a Western athlete.
Coevett wrote:
How many more Kenyans have been busted since you left the board (served 6 months in prison) early last year after finally admitting Kenya had a rampant doping problem?
Are you really saying that Wanijuru was tested more times last year than the Ingebrigtsens?
And you really want Brother Colm and Canova to be banned from Kenya?
Bro Colm isn't a foreigner.
Bekele can now celebrate his first place in London 2017. He always was the greatest. He won London and be barely did any training in 2017 and it was after his fall in Dubai. How many people can jump into one of the biggest marathons in the world without really training for it and literally destroy everyone? More proof that Bekele is the greatest.
El Keniano wrote:
I need to add something about Wanjiru, who's widely regarded as an honest chap, and other ABP busts. I hope the science behind this is sound. It would be incredibly sad if innocent victims were going down. I think there's no way an ABP violation would hold in a Western court for a Western athlete.
Well...another poster questioned the validity of ABP hematological-anomalies cases where I suggested looking at the actual DT hearings with the Kenyans that have been found guilty of ABP blood doping infractions.
Currently, there are four Kenyans (five now counting Wanjuri) charged with ABP hematological-anomalies violations. Three (Kiptum, Rutto & Chepchirchir) were found guilty at the DT hearing and one (Chepkirui) is still pending a hearing. Kiptum, Rutto & Chepchirchir have been given bans but can appeal their cases to CAS.
If you go to the AIU's "First Instance Decisions" site you'll find a lengthy list of athletes sanctioned per the DT hearings. Find the athletes you're interested in and go to the "Outcome" column and click on the link which will bring up a PDF for the hearing
In reviewing the three Kenyan cases, they all had legal representation and expert witnesses of their own challenging the findings by the IAAF's three anti-doping experts. Defenses such as living & training at altitude, supplement use (iron), illness, proper sample collection, etc., are all brought up by athlete's counsel. The hearing counsel evaluates the evidence and makes the final decision.
More people should the use "First Instance Decisions" site and get the actual case details of any athlete that's been convicted of doping under the AIU. Complete transparency - full details - nothing is being hid.
https://www.athleticsintegrity.org/disciplinary-process/first-instance-decisionsNo, they are being targeted because of over 200 busts over the years despite abysmal testing standards and documented corruption - all the way from tea money testers to Olympic team managers.
Kenya should have been banned years ago and you know it. Give thanks every day that Lord Coe has a soft spot for them.
As I always say, the UK having no busts is what's suspicious.
El Keniano wrote:
Coevett wrote:
How many more Kenyans have been busted since you left the board (served 6 months in prison) early last year after finally admitting Kenya had a rampant doping problem?
Are you really saying that Wanijuru was tested more times last year than the Ingebrigtsens?
And you really want Brother Colm and Canova to be banned from Kenya?
Bro Colm isn't a foreigner.
LOL. Did he marry a Kenyan gal?
Alabama BSS wrote:
rojo:
Ches not in top 10 all time in mile
No EA in top 10 of 2000 ST
Ches #6 in 3000, 9 sec off record
Ches #4 in 2 mile, 10 sec off record
Ches #7 in 3k ST, 13 sec off record
Ches #7 in 5K, 20 sec off record
He also ran 8:39 indoors, and 4:02 indoors.
Dominant in XC and rocked some hard courses like Holmdel and Garret in North NJ
Don't just look at all-time lists to see dominance though, look at head to head matches and how he was view at that time, which back then he was seen as a force to be reckoned with.
Crown Paints wrote:
Remember the BBC documentary from 1996 that said that 60% of Olympic medalists in track are doping? It is still true today.
+1 to that part - but the rest of your post is conspiracy theory.