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ncrecuvuer wrote:
Did you forget that Muir didn't race at all from DL London til now with a hamstring injury? Those injuries don't allow you to do as much speed. She has good strength (8:26 3k). Her best shot was to hold on to Hassan for as long as possible and hope only one person passed her down the stretch to hold on to a medal. I was actually kind of shocked she finished to close to her 3:55.25 PB despite the injuries and lack of racing. I'm sorry, but fully healthy Muir might have gotten 2nd in this race. She closed a 3:58 race in 57 and can time trial very fast. She had the fastest PB going into the race.
Muir is very good but the top 1 or 2 tend to run right past her. That happened in Prefontaine with Kipyegon down the stretch. It was too bad that Muir got the hamstring injury and Kipyegon had the adductor injury after Prefontaine. Both had training interrupted and weren't at their best in Doha.
Hassan likely wins anyway but maybe she has to work harder and perhaps even go straight from the gun instead of waiting 25 seconds. Those jogging opening 25 seconds probably didn't impact Hassan too much but they ruined any chance at the world record.
Coevett wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
I wouldn't entirely agree with that. It looked to me that TC was working really hard over the last 300 and at best might have been only half a sec faster if pushed to the line. Nothing like the tsunami that was Hassan finishing her race. I also think much of the rest of the field behind TC are also on something. Pretty much the only way to be in contention. If not, you'd better get resigned to losing more often. But I suspect most doping now has to be pretty subtle to beat the passport or you go down the Kiprop way and the parade of Kenyan EPO busts. That said, nothing subtle about the recent domination of Hassan. Alberto must be good at the dark arts.
It must be hard for the testers to get an accurate ABP for Hassan when she divides her time between the USA (as a Dutch athlete) and remote South Africa (no doubt she spends time in Ethiopia too, but is careful not to post it on social media).
Presumably and hopefully she's now going to be tested a hell of a lot more in the next year, and it will be interesting indeed to see if she slows down and becomes human again.
It's always odd that these athletes who can suddenly compete on another level at every distance in their mid-twenties, never really progress further after a year or so. Aouita, Mo Farah, Hassan. Of course, we don't yet know if Hassan will continue to get even faster. It will be crazy if she does (in terms of crazy times resulting), but equally odd if she doesn't. How do you suddenly max out an athlete into GOAT territory from one or two years of training in their mid-twenties? Obviously only doping does that.
Sorry to interrupt the circle jerk going on here but posts like this are incredibly embarrassing and it had to be pointed out.
The blood passport does not matter where you are. It doesn't work like that. The USA and South Africa both have labs who do testing, the ABP is managed by WADA. It doesn't matter where an athlete is training, they are tested and the blood results go towards the blood passport.
If you are suggesting Hassan has missed tests or keeps missing tests then that's entirely unsubstantiated. USA, SA, Ethiopia, Timbuktu, the Moon; if the tester intends to test you but can't find you, that's a missed test. Literally doesn't matter where you live or train. Three missed tests and you are out (unless you're Coleman).
Hassan is 26 so just about approaching her natural peak as a 1500m runner. She joined NOP in 2016 at 23.
So to summarise, none of what you've said is true.
Little bit of additional info for you to chew on: your favourite GB man Grice trains extensively with Farah in Ethiopia. They have house shared for many winter seasons along with several other GB 1500/5k guys.
The GB team has a camp in Iten (full of dopers?) in Kenya where nearly all the top talent goes for a few months at a time.
The other major training camps for team GB is South Africa (you've just referred to it as a hiding spot apparently) and also Font Romeu which is a 90 mile drive to Sabadell training camp where Jama Aden was found with plenty of EPO to go around.
ohia wrote:
centro = done
craigathor = too much wind resistance
3:32 and 3:34 in the finals does not mean done.
Alan Webb and Andrew Wheating mean done. Robbie Andrews is likely done.
German Fernandez, Chris Derrick etc
3:32 is very good, especially in a year where you have lots of injuries.
ex-runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
It must be hard for the testers to get an accurate ABP for Hassan when she divides her time between the USA (as a Dutch athlete) and remote South Africa (no doubt she spends time in Ethiopia too, but is careful not to post it on social media).
Presumably and hopefully she's now going to be tested a hell of a lot more in the next year, and it will be interesting indeed to see if she slows down and becomes human again.
It's always odd that these athletes who can suddenly compete on another level at every distance in their mid-twenties, never really progress further after a year or so. Aouita, Mo Farah, Hassan. Of course, we don't yet know if Hassan will continue to get even faster. It will be crazy if she does (in terms of crazy times resulting), but equally odd if she doesn't. How do you suddenly max out an athlete into GOAT territory from one or two years of training in their mid-twenties? Obviously only doping does that.
Sorry to interrupt the circle jerk going on here but posts like this are incredibly embarrassing and it had to be pointed out.
The blood passport does not matter where you are. It doesn't work like that. The USA and South Africa both have labs who do testing, the ABP is managed by WADA. It doesn't matter where an athlete is training, they are tested and the blood results go towards the blood passport.
If you are suggesting Hassan has missed tests or keeps missing tests then that's entirely unsubstantiated. USA, SA, Ethiopia, Timbuktu, the Moon; if the tester intends to test you but can't find you, that's a missed test. Literally doesn't matter where you live or train. Three missed tests and you are out (unless you're Coleman).
Hassan is 26 so just about approaching her natural peak as a 1500m runner. She joined NOP in 2016 at 23.
So to summarise, none of what you've said is true.
Little bit of additional info for you to chew on: your favourite GB man Grice trains extensively with Farah in Ethiopia. They have house shared for many winter seasons along with several other GB 1500/5k guys.
The GB team has a camp in Iten (full of dopers?) in Kenya where nearly all the top talent goes for a few months at a time.
The other major training camps for team GB is South Africa (you've just referred to it as a hiding spot apparently) and also Font Romeu which is a 90 mile drive to Sabadell training camp where Jama Aden was found with plenty of EPO to go around.
Go and spread your scurrilous true elsewhere, it's not welcome here.
Inge had an amazing year (wejo, please make a bio and post all his races this year) and an amazing meet. 1302 and 331 after tough heats. 19 y.o. Btw, in the midst of all the talk of who is dirty and not my theory is once they started using a bio transport with allowable numbers all the clubs now use means to get all their athletes near, but not over, the allowable threshold. Hence the "likely doping" list on the hacked iaaf list. It is the new normal and all clubs do it or will not compete.
ex-runner wrote:
Coevett wrote:
It must be hard for the testers to get an accurate ABP for Hassan when she divides her time between the USA (as a Dutch athlete) and remote South Africa (no doubt she spends time in Ethiopia too, but is careful not to post it on social media).
Presumably and hopefully she's now going to be tested a hell of a lot more in the next year, and it will be interesting indeed to see if she slows down and becomes human again.
It's always odd that these athletes who can suddenly compete on another level at every distance in their mid-twenties, never really progress further after a year or so. Aouita, Mo Farah, Hassan. Of course, we don't yet know if Hassan will continue to get even faster. It will be crazy if she does (in terms of crazy times resulting), but equally odd if she doesn't. How do you suddenly max out an athlete into GOAT territory from one or two years of training in their mid-twenties? Obviously only doping does that.
Sorry to interrupt the circle jerk going on here but posts like this are incredibly embarrassing and it had to be pointed out.
The blood passport does not matter where you are. It doesn't work like that. The USA and South Africa both have labs who do testing, the ABP is managed by WADA. It doesn't matter where an athlete is training, they are tested and the blood results go towards the blood passport.
If you are suggesting Hassan has missed tests or keeps missing tests then that's entirely unsubstantiated. USA, SA, Ethiopia, Timbuktu, the Moon; if the tester intends to test you but can't find you, that's a missed test. Literally doesn't matter where you live or train. Three missed tests and you are out (unless you're Coleman).
Hassan is 26 so just about approaching her natural peak as a 1500m runner. She joined NOP in 2016 at 23.
So to summarise, none of what you've said is true.
Little bit of additional info for you to chew on: your favourite GB man Grice trains extensively with Farah in Ethiopia. They have house shared for many winter seasons along with several other GB 1500/5k guys.
The GB team has a camp in Iten (full of dopers?) in Kenya where nearly all the top talent goes for a few months at a time.
The other major training camps for team GB is South Africa (you've just referred to it as a hiding spot apparently) and also Font Romeu which is a 90 mile drive to Sabadell training camp where Jama Aden was found with plenty of EPO to go around.
I'm not referring to any missed tests; that stuff is pretty obvious. But as far as the biopassport is concerned we know that it can be beaten; that has already been shown in cycling. In fact, if it couldn't be beaten we wouldnt be seeing the significant disparity between athletes caught doping and the numbers estimated to be doping. It's a gulf. Hence, an athlete can make dramatic improvements mid-career through doping and the biopassport will show nothing.
Coevett wrote:
It must be hard for the testers to get an accurate ABP for Hassan when she divides her time between the USA (as a Dutch athlete) and remote South Africa.
Must be hard to get accurate ABPs for other athletes as well.
https://www.facebook.com/ingebrigtsenjakob/photos/a.975757819230692/1394566200683183/?type=1&theaterncrecuvuer wrote:
I was actually kind of shocked she finished to close to her 3:55.25 PB despite the injuries and lack of racing. I'm sorry, but fully healthy Muir might have gotten 2nd in this race. She closed a 3:58 race in 57 and can time trial very fast. She had the fastest PB going into the race.
Agreed. That 3:55 in Paris 2016 with a negative split was the strongest performance between Dibabas 2015 WR and the Mile WR in Monaco (or for 1500m the Doha final). In the shape of Paris 2016 or the 2019 London DL race Muir would have medalled in Doha and run 3:53-54, I am pretty sure and as this was simply running all out, there was no margin for tactical mistakes (like Muir made in earlier finals as in Rio 2016)
ex-runner wrote:
Little bit of additional info for you to chew on: your favourite GB man Grice trains extensively with Farah in Ethiopia. They have house shared for many winter seasons along with several other GB 1500/5k guys.
The GB team has a camp in Iten (full of dopers?) in Kenya where nearly all the top talent goes for a few months at a time.
The other major training camps for team GB is South Africa (you've just referred to it as a hiding spot apparently) and also Font Romeu which is a 90 mile drive to Sabadell training camp where Jama Aden was found with plenty of EPO to go around.
I haven't got time to deal with your doping apologist nonsense today. You stated that 3:28 low is the clean limit for 1500m, and you're adamant that an athlete who just solo ran 3:29 is clean. You're adamant that Sifan Hassan is clean despite her performances last week and the fact her dirty coach has been suspended.
Can you provide a link that states that Charlie Grice shared a house with Mo Farah in Ethiopia and trains extensively with him there? I was aware that he had trained with Farah in Ethiopia, but I can find one or two articles that report that he had been training with Mo in 2016 for a few weeks in Ethiopia where they stayed at Geb's famous hotel. Seems at best you're exaggerating there.
There's nothing suspicious about Grice's progression or performances, and he doesn't have a coach who just got banned. If Grice had got to Doha and ran 3:28 and closed the 10000 final in a 3:36 1500m, then for sure I'd be suspicious.
Do you really think that Sifan Hassan has been tested as much as by USADA as Elite American athletes, or by the South African WADA when she trains there extensively every year? Even USADA has limited resources and no doubt prioritizes American athletes.
Tim says he can run 3:26 in perfect conditions.
https://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/timothy-cheruiyot-kenya-1500-diamond-league-w
El Keniano wrote:
Tim says he can run 3:26 in perfect conditions.
https://www.iaaf.org/news/feature/timothy-cheruiyot-kenya-1500-diamond-league-w
After David Rudisha's great 2012 Olympic 800m final, posters on here were stating sub-1:40 was near. No one has broken 1:42, 800m since 2012. I do not feel that record will be broken soon. I do feel someone can put it all together and break 3:26, 1500m. Is Timothy Cheruiyot the man to do it? Let's see. Cheruiot's ability to race 3:29.xx 1500m alone in a World Championship final was truly impressive. Some say it reminds them of Filbert Bayi, 1974, Christchurch, New Zealand Commonwealth 1500m final. Bayi ran scared the final lap. Bayi knew John Walker was gaining on him. Cheruiyot had no such worry, 2019 World Championship 1500m final.