Behind the American and Canadian high school mile record holders? Yeah not many people have run better than 3:54 in high school and have gone on to be among the best in the world.
Behind the American and Canadian high school mile record holders? Yeah not many people have run better than 3:54 in high school and have gone on to be among the best in the world.
The Dodo bird outs himself wrote:
Unfortunately true wrote:
That is a racist behavior is not acceptable.
New Zealanders in general have a history of that type of attitude.
Armstronglivs wrote:
Everybody has a history of that. So what's racist about New Zealanders today that is any worse than anywhere else?
Answering the Dodo bird wrote:
Go look in the mirror, and you'll see.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You don't know what my race is, and I don't know yours; it doesn't matter to me. But I am prejudiced against morons, and there you do qualify.
I was talking about you seeing your racism in the mirror.
Apparently you've either not looked in the mirror yet, or you're blind.
I didn't mention your race. You must have a guilty conscience.
However, since you brought it up, your history on here indicates that you're a white racist pig.
You keep identifying the wrong prejudice. I told you I am indifferent to race; it is rank stupidity that I am unable to tolerate and you clearly have that in bucket-loads.
You’re an idiot wrote:
Behind the American and Canadian high school mile record holders? Yeah not many people have run better than 3:54 in high school and have gone on to be among the best in the world.
You seem to be talking about a runner who never won a global championship. That's hardly annihilating his opposition, as Hassan has done this year to hers.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You keep identifying the wrong prejudice. I told you I am indifferent to race; it is rank stupidity that I am unable to tolerate and you clearly have that in bucket-loads.
You might want to be careful who you call stupid; bucketloads is not hyphenated.
The Dodo bird outs himself wrote:
I was talking about you seeing your racism in the mirror.
Apparently you've either not looked in the mirror yet, or you're blind.
I didn't mention your race. You must have a guilty conscience.
However, since you brought it up, your history on here indicates that you're a white racist pig.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You keep identifying the wrong prejudice. I told you I am indifferent to race; it is rank stupidity that I am unable to tolerate and you clearly have that in bucket-loads.
So you're saying that Hassan is doping because she suffers from rank stupidity - but that you're not a racist white pig.
You certainly have a warped interpretation of what stupidity and racism are.
Perhaps when you take a good look in the mirror you'll be able to see both of them clearly.
Yeah, only about 15% are clean and can be really supported by fans.
Salazar has a better doping program than the kenyan and the ethipian. Although salazar was under investigation his athletes still perform at a high level and never got caught.
spelling for the win! wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You keep identifying the wrong prejudice. I told you I am indifferent to race; it is rank stupidity that I am unable to tolerate and you clearly have that in bucket-loads.
You might want to be careful who you call stupid; bucketloads is not hyphenated.
A semicolon doesn't permit two complete sentences to be linked in that fashion either.
Dril wrote:
08 and 16 olympic 1500 wrote:
This is someone who has been cheated out of Olympic gold twice, so I think he has the right to say what he wants on this matter.
Oh yah. Is that how it works? Now he gets a free pass for being a terrible person. Good to know.
The mental gymnastics on this site of late is incredible.
Can’t we all agree Salazar is a bad guy. Some NOP athletes were bad. Being a crappy person on Twitter is also bad. One doesn’t excuse the other.
Salazar is dirty and trains Hassan , who runs super human times . Yep she is dirty. Bravo Nick for telling it like it is .
Dril wrote:
Coevett wrote:
It would make far more sense to join the top American doping group (a group we all thought would always get away with it - hence the shock and disbelief this week).
Gets high-tech doped in America away from Dutch doping testers.
Spends winter in Africa among her 'home' network getting full throttle doped away from all testers.
It's the Mo blueprint.
And it proves East Africans are genetically superior, LOL!
I made a thread on this the other day.
Dude. Get out of my thread and go back to yours.
Questioning athletes’ performances who have not been proven guilty of cheating is a really sh1tty habit of pros on Twitter and in interviews. It’s bad for the sport and is real salty cry baby behavior.
If he’s so sure her performance is suspect he should get off his soap box, go out IRL and do something. Go make a difference and stop whining on the internet. At minimum call her out to her face.
Who are you ? AlSal Jr ? You put stupids out you get it back
dunes runner wrote:
The Dodo bird outs himself wrote:
I was talking about you seeing your racism in the mirror.
Apparently you've either not looked in the mirror yet, or you're blind.
I didn't mention your race. You must have a guilty conscience.
However, since you brought it up, your history on here indicates that you're a white racist pig.
Armstronglivs wrote:
You keep identifying the wrong prejudice. I told you I am indifferent to race; it is rank stupidity that I am unable to tolerate and you clearly have that in bucket-loads.
So you're saying that Hassan is doping because she suffers from rank stupidity - but that you're not a racist white pig.
You certainly have a warped interpretation of what stupidity and racism are.
Perhaps when you take a good look in the mirror you'll be able to see both of them clearly.
Hassan is merely a doper; her intellectual qualities are not at issue; yours clearly are.
spelling for the win! wrote:
Armstronglivs wrote:
You keep identifying the wrong prejudice. I told you I am indifferent to race; it is rank stupidity that I am unable to tolerate and you clearly have that in bucket-loads.
You might want to be careful who you call stupid; bucketloads is not hyphenated.
Pedantry mistaken for intelligence.
THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:
Nick’s fine to say what he said, but if Sifan wanted to cheat would it make sense to join a coach under investigation for doping in a country with a far-more comprehensive anti-doping infrastructure? Or would it be better to join a group in Ethiopia and Kenya?
Hmm, or join a group sponsored by the richest sports company in the world who defended Lance Armstrong for 15 years ??? Naw , that’s too crazy
DC130 wrote:
spelling for the win! wrote:
You might want to be careful who you call stupid; bucketloads is not hyphenated.
A semicolon doesn't permit two complete sentences to be linked in that fashion either.
Unless you are joining related points; however following a train of thought is apparently difficult for you. Short sentences for you, then.
LateRunnerPhil wrote:
This defense of Nike, NOP, Salazar and their athletes is getting ridiculous. LR is the ONLY community that is in favor of these organizations/coaches/athletes and doesn't realize that something is not right with these performances.
Willis is ABSOLUTELY right. He has been in the pro circus for over a decade and knows the sport in and out. Yet many LR users don't want to realize that there IS suspicious stuff going on in some training groups/environments to boost performance. I'm starting to wonder how many of these posters are part of Nike's legal/community team trying to improve/keep their reputation as a honest company competing in elite sports.
Hassan could have won ANYTHING from 800m to the marathon in these WC (many people here don't even realize that her 1:05:15 half when she was in worse shape is already a 2:16:30 performance, now she is in 1:03/1:04 (=WR) shape and could obviously run fast in a marathon with the stuff she is on).
Could Rudisha win the marathon? Ok, let's lower the stakes. Could he run a sub 59 half, which is similar to Hassan's performance? Could Cheruiyout/Lewandowski run a sub 27 10k? Again, equivalent. This range, that she could all display on a single day is just absolutely unbelievable. It goes against everything we know about FT:ST muscle fiber ratio and "training specifity". Bekele, who has a great range, still has nothing like Hassan. His best 1500 is only 3:32 (nothing compared to his 5k-marathon achievements), and NOW, in peak marathon shape, he likely couldn't even run 3:35 anymore.
So the only argument you can make is that women are superior, and can be world best from 800 to marathon simultaneously. NO! Doesn't work! Because Hassan is the ONLY one with this range. Do you think Muir can go even 1:07 in a half? Or Chepngetich sub 4 in a 1500m? No, you are EITHER good at 1500-5000, OR at HM-marathon, but NOT at both. Hassan is everything - 1:56, 3:51 (without max effort), 14:22, 1:05:15 (HM 1 year ago when she was only in 3:56 shape). If this doesn't raise the eyebrows of even the last LR "no one is doping! no positive tests!" defender, then I don't know what would do.
Good point . Notice it is always a slew of unregistered usernames who always write in the exact same style . Anyone know if Phil Knight posts comments with the regularity that Trump tweets when things go bad ???
casual obsever wrote:
Coevett wrote:
So on numerous occasions you've accused Nick Willis of doping for ...
No, I have not. Stop lying.
I have, on numerous occasions such as this one, pointed out why Willis is suspicious.
And that's why because Covett has said in previous posts he believes Willis is the clean WR record holder. So, if you agree with Coevett on this you're fine, as well as agreeing with him that his British heroes from the 80s are not suspicious. If you don't, then watch out - you'll bring the wrath of Covett on you everytime. ?
This thread is now giving me the "Willies" as well as the shíts so can we please close it.
(OK, so it was the closest I could get to one. ?)
Other athletes had races not outside the level of improvement seen by Hassan. I guess only those battling further back than the front are allowed to have big jumps? I have zero doubt that Houlihan is clean, but how is her dropping 3:54 much different than Hassan?
There is nothing in the doping case that has anything to do with the last 5 years. As Goucher said "It’s frustrating because I think the panel only found that [former Oregon Project assistant coach] Steve Magness had gone over the legal limit [of L-carnitine] and he’s not even a real athlete. " She also spoke of only a small inner circle. Even the fiercest critics of the NOP have never seemed to suggest the whole team was dirty. Without additional information I prefer to give Hassan the benefit of the doubt.
canspo wrote:
Other athletes had races not outside the level of improvement seen by Hassan. I guess only those battling further back than the front are allowed to have big jumps? I have zero doubt that Houlihan is clean, but how is her dropping 3:54 much different than Hassan?
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She went from 4:04 to 3:57 with a kick in one season. She went from tubby-ish to rippled all over in the space of about 9 months or less. I raised my suspicions, I was the the only one. Her excuse was "I've always had the speed," which isn't true her speed isn't spectacular. She has a Ben Johnson arrogance about her, she is content to run in lanes 2-3 for much of the race because she can out kick runners that we know are suspicious.
Subway Surfers wrote:
canspo wrote:
Other athletes had races not outside the level of improvement seen by Hassan. I guess only those battling further back than the front are allowed to have big jumps? I have zero doubt that Houlihan is clean, but how is her dropping 3:54 much different than Hassan?
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She went from 4:04 to 3:57 with a kick in one season. She went from tubby-ish to rippled all over in the space of about 9 months or less. I raised my suspicions, I was the the only one. Her excuse was "I've always had the speed," which isn't true her speed isn't spectacular. She has a Ben Johnson arrogance about her, she is content to run in lanes 2-3 for much of the race because she can out kick runners that we know are suspicious.
No one gets a pass on being above doping suspicion; an athlete's record and their improvement - whatever their level - can attract legitimate inquiry. And, as hard as it is for some keyboard warriors here to grasp, that can even include Caucasian runners. Race is not an issue when it comes to doping. It's anyone's game. Those of us who doubt Hassan can similarly doubt Houlihan (or the Ingebrigstens) - and we were definitely on to Armstrong's case. But there will obviously be less interest in runners in the pack than winners and medallists.