breit leit wrote:
Funny read so far. My favorite three fallacies to this point:
3. Trump can't be a misogynist because Obama.
2. Trump can't be a racist because look, pictures with black people.
1. Carl's statement is wrong because he's a doper who can't sing.
Everyone is racist. You, Obama, lewis, trump, Clinton, rocks, trees, the sky, even air is racist. Everything and everyone is racist 100% of the time. We should all kill ourselves. Just nuke the entire planet. Because racist.
Blah blah blah . wrote:
breit leit wrote:
Funny read so far. My favorite three fallacies to this point:
3. Trump can't be a misogynist because Obama.
2. Trump can't be a racist because look, pictures with black people.
1. Carl's statement is wrong because he's a doper who can't sing.
Everyone is racist. You, Obama, lewis, trump, Clinton, rocks, trees, the sky, even air is racist. Everything and everyone is racist 100% of the time. We should all kill ourselves. Just nuke the entire planet. Because racist.
Honorable mention to off-topic nonsense like this. Because they aren't really fallacies, just silly.
sometimes a spade isn't good wrote:
I'm a left leaning moderate, more and more so as I get older. I think the USA needs to be more moderate as well.
You're reasons for voting for Trump are, in my opinion, a big reason for the divide. Republicans (i'm generalizing big time here) vote for fiscal and policy stuff they agree with. Liberals, although often flawed in thinking through the details, default to policy that helps people. This is their greatest trait. They care about people and their instinct is to do what is best for people, not money or jobs or religion etc.
Getting older, as in 22 going on 23?
You don’t sound very moderate and yeah, you’re generalizing big time. Not just about the republicans, but the “liberals” as well. It’s telling what your true leanings are, since you identify as liberal and not as Democrat which is the party’s true name. Not all Democrats are liberals.
Many liberals don’t help people. They kill them in the womb.
LGBTQ, minority advocates, feminists, etc aren’t all into helping people, just people that fit certain criteria.
But Carl would smile at this wrote:
The media and liberals say nothing...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mehb5sqKyrI
The fact that this is the WORST you can find on Obama, a known gentleman and true statesman, simply makes the case for what a disgrace Trump is as president relative to a real man.
breit leit wrote:
Blah blah blah . wrote:
Everyone is racist. You, Obama, lewis, trump, Clinton, rocks, trees, the sky, even air is racist. Everything and everyone is racist 100% of the time. We should all kill ourselves. Just nuke the entire planet. Because racist.
Honorable mention to off-topic nonsense like this. Because they aren't really fallacies, just silly.
Well, again, if Trump has been a "known racist" for so long, why would black Americans have taken so many pictures with him? Why would they have given him awards?
You see, it's you that is the problem. It's your lack of sane logic. It's your lack of truly open and bigger picture thinking. It's your stupid 'oh, you posted a picture! He's obviously not racist!'
It's you.
I didn't just post a pictures as proof, those people took the pictures with him. But you're too shallow to understand that.
that is your example? wrote:
But Carl would smile at this wrote:
The media and liberals say nothing...
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mehb5sqKyrIThe fact that this is the WORST you can find on Obama, a known gentleman and true statesman, simply makes the case for what a disgrace Trump is as president relative to a real man.
He's a gentleman? Ask brown and black people in Northern Africa and Syria.
The as-hole was a warmonger.
Unfortunate truth for you wrote:
One life to live... yep. So, flipping the script here... stop prioritizing small stuff like language. It's that sort of stuff that is truly dividing. The small, trivial, 'issues' that are becoming bigger and bigger by enabling greater division.
Stop enabling liberal dominated corporations, when you as a liberal, likely claim to be against mega-corporations.
Stop claiming to be anti-war, but would support warmonger Hillary, after saying nothing about Barack destroying North Africa and Syria. Trump is as anti-intervention as anything we've seen in decades. But that doesn't fit your delusional narrative, so it's conveniently passed up.
Yeah, I don't agree with any of the sh*t you said was the typical liberal narrative. Way to branch out intellectually...
Language?! You mean like, the ONLY way we as a society have collectively agreed to communicate with each other? What's the point of language if everyone cannot agree on what words mean and how they're used. Yeah, that's just "small stuff" though....
Don't generalize me. That's a good place to start. I cross all the party lines with what i believe. I clal out my liberal friends daily for their hypocrisy. I don't blindly root for one team (literally and figuratively) I don't have a delusional narrative, you d*ckhead.
I think Hilary was a sh*t candidate, and Obama wasn't that great in terms of executing actual policy. He did a lot of bad when in office. I agree. All the candidates are pretty lousy and we need to stop thinking like the people running for office are the best candidates. they aren't.
they suck. they're the two last place teams in the league, these dem and repubs.
Also, I try not to enable corporations. I rarely order anything from the internet and buy almost everything, which is way more expensive than ordering online, from the small town i live in. I hand picked every stock in my retirements accounts contribute to so they don't support large corporations or oil sh*t. It wasn't the best return versus the big ones. I only use a small local bank. I bus/bike/run to and from work. We effing pay $9 a dozen for eggs from my neighbor's chickens.... I haven't bought garbage bags in probably 10 years for the plastic. I've made a lot of life changes to try do better, despite them being more expensive and less convenient. I can certainly do better than I am too. blah blah blah
I'm objective, and understand that each side of the spectrum is totally lousy choices, democrat and republican. Thanks for writing, you already had everything figured out. so smart,
Lol...okay? I guess no one can have an original thought.
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sometimes a spade isn't good wrote:
I'm a left leaning moderate, more and more so as I get older. I think the USA needs to be more moderate as well.
You're reasons for voting for Trump are, in my opinion, a big reason for the divide. Republicans (i'm generalizing big time here) vote for fiscal and policy stuff they agree with. Liberals, although often flawed in thinking through the details, default to policy that helps people. This is their greatest trait. They care about people and their instinct is to do what is best for people, not money or jobs or religion etc.
You pretty much wrote, " Trump is a piece of sh*t as a person but I don't truly care about how the president (or anyone else) treats people, so long as the policies are in line with what I believe and the economy is good."
You only get one life to live. ONE LIFE. To interact with other people and experience this planet.....and that's a road you're going to take?! Some policy you agree with and a pile of garbage human being?
That why liberals hate conservatives. Because they prioritize meaningless stuff over humans and they don't think of the big picture like people and the Earth. It's sad to think about.
Truth right there.
Trump is literally a piece of human garbage and Carl was absolutely right to call him out. Good on him.
No, liberals pander to minorities for votes...since you like data and studies so much. Help people? No, they want to help themselves. I know many conservatives who are giving and want to help people and many liberals, like YOU, who lie. Feel better now.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/nov/28/white-liberals-patronize-minorities-downplaying-co/I've destroyed your illogic coutless times wrote:
breit leit wrote:
Honorable mention to off-topic nonsense like this. Because they aren't really fallacies, just silly.
Well, again, if Trump has been a "known racist" for so long, why would black Americans have taken so many pictures with him? Why would they have given him awards?
You see, it's you that is the problem. It's your lack of sane logic. It's your lack of truly open and bigger picture thinking. It's your stupid 'oh, you posted a picture! He's obviously not racist!'
It's you.
I didn't just post a pictures as proof, those people took the pictures with him. But you're too shallow to understand that.
Where did I say that he's "been a known racist for so long"?
Black people don't keep some list of racist people in their pocket that they refer to any time they are around people with cameras.
Do you really not understand how it is fallacious to say that he can't be racist because he has pictures with black people posing with him? Is our education system that lacking?
A little more than half of the country feel that Trump is awful, which is most likely an understatement. He lies, is ignorant of much what has happened during his lifetime, so angry one wouldn't be surprised if he clutched his chest and collapsed during one of his vitriolic outbursts (I'm not hoping for that at all), and makes racist statements of which he is in the minority to think that they are not, and so many other faults.
On the other hand there's that 40% bloc who is totally smitten with him. Whenever he speaks there is joy in their faces. They feel that he is responsible for our strong economy. They believe he will eventually deliver on anything which he has promised. They feel that a witch hunt was conducted against him. Climate change is not in their vocabularies. Being cozy with Putin is a good thing as well as stating that Kim, the leader of North Korea, is a nice guy.
The question is will another term with him at the helm cause the damage to our country to be irreparable?
TrackCoach wrote:
BLtheKid wrote:
Here's what I think is interesting. Donald Trump lived for 70 years - as one of the more well-known public figures - and yet, no one could figure out he was a racist until he became president. If that makes sense to you, you probably need to get either off your meds or get on some to help you.
The people NE (PA, NJ, NY), the folks who have known Trump for decades have always felt he was a racist and all of those other bad things.
Yeah, and you know all of those people. Nice liberal blanket statement you've made. Obama is the racist, but you can't handle that and ignore the evidence that proves it. So glad he won and even more glad that your lying girl Hillary lost:)
No support wrote:
Gordon Shumway wrote:
So you are saying we should support racism? You would have made a great German in the 30s.
Lewis is the racist. No we should not support him. That’s the point.
How in the world is Lewis the racist? That's your takeaway? I love how white guys call people who speak out against racism, racist.
sometimes a spade isn't good wrote:
I'm a left leaning moderate, more and more so as I get older. I think the USA needs to be more moderate as well.
You're reasons for voting for Trump are, in my opinion, a big reason for the divide. Republicans (i'm generalizing big time here) vote for fiscal and policy stuff they agree with. Liberals, although often flawed in thinking through the details, default to policy that helps people. This is their greatest trait. They care about people and their instinct is to do what is best for people, not money or jobs or religion etc.
You pretty much wrote, " Trump is a piece of sh*t as a person but I don't truly care about how the president (or anyone else) treats people, so long as the policies are in line with what I believe and the economy is good."
You only get one life to live. ONE LIFE. To interact with other people and experience this planet.....and that's a road you're going to take?! Some policy you agree with and a pile of garbage human being?
That why liberals hate conservatives. Because they prioritize meaningless stuff over humans and they don't think of the big picture like people and the Earth. It's sad to think about.
Hilarious anytime I hear liberals (and trust me, you are strongly one based on your statements) say that the Democrat Party is about "helping people" and that they "care about people". Couldn't be further from the truth.
Democrats "help people" by over-taxing the populace and redistributing money to "those in need"... the problem is "those in need" are a group that the Democrat Party works to grow as a larger and larger percentage of our population. Their true goal is to get enough people dependent on the federal government that will 100% vote for them in every election so that their political power is never tested. Thank god we aren't at that point yet and are moving further away from that currently with record low unemployment rates.
News flash to you liberals, you aren't "helping" someone when you dis-incentivize that person from taking responsibility over their own life. Throwing them some scraps in the way of redistributionist tax and welfare policy does NOTHING to help that person to improve their own life. Instead it keeps them trapped in a cycle of near poverty and dooms their children to likely have the same fate. ONLY the Conservatives in the Republican Party truly believe that all Americans have the ability to take control of their own life and provide for themselves. Sure some people might need guidance to get on the right path but just handing them some free money each month for no reason sure as he!l won't do the trick.
another perspective wrote:
Democrats "help people" by over-taxing the populace and redistributing money to "those in need"... the problem is "those in need" are a group that the Democrat Party works to grow as a larger and larger percentage of our population. Their true goal is to get enough people dependent on the federal government that will 100% vote for them in every election so that their political power is never tested. Thank god we aren't at that point yet and are moving further away from that currently with record low unemployment rates.
News flash to you liberals, you aren't "helping" someone when you dis-incentivize that person from taking responsibility over their own life. Throwing them some scraps in the way of redistributionist tax and welfare policy does NOTHING to help that person to improve their own life. Instead it keeps them trapped in a cycle of near poverty and dooms their children to likely have the same fate. ONLY the Conservatives in the Republican Party truly believe that all Americans have the ability to take control of their own life and provide for themselves. Sure some people might need guidance to get on the right path but just handing them some free money each month for no reason sure as he!l won't do the trick.
I believe in providing the impoverished with the basic necessities they need (food, shelter, health care). I think that helps them more than letting them die. I do not believe that this disincentives them from improving their life beyond basic survival needs, nor do I believe it traps them.
Clubs, Hearts and Diamonds wrote:
sometimes a spade isn't good wrote:
I'm a left leaning moderate, more and more so as I get older. I think the USA needs to be more moderate as well.
You're reasons for voting for Trump are, in my opinion, a big reason for the divide. Republicans (i'm generalizing big time here) vote for fiscal and policy stuff they agree with. Liberals, although often flawed in thinking through the details, default to policy that helps people. This is their greatest trait. They care about people and their instinct is to do what is best for people, not money or jobs or religion etc.
Getting older, as in 22 going on 23?
You don’t sound very moderate and yeah, you’re generalizing big time. Not just about the republicans, but the “liberals” as well. It’s telling what your true leanings are, since you identify as liberal and not as Democrat which is the party’s true name. Not all Democrats are liberals.
Many liberals don’t help people. They kill them in the womb.
LGBTQ, minority advocates, feminists, etc aren’t all into helping people, just people that fit certain criteria.
wow, you don't get it.
and way to wrap in some abortion stuff without knowing where i stand. i definitely don't stand for late term abortion and think most "liberals" / democrats wouldn't either if they watched the jaws of death videos of how it works.
they're just uninformed and unwilling to think a bit further like yourself.
i'm in my late 30's but live in a progressive place, so perhaps i'm moderate for where i am.
local lib wrote:
another perspective wrote:
Democrats "help people" by over-taxing the populace and redistributing money to "those in need"... the problem is "those in need" are a group that the Democrat Party works to grow as a larger and larger percentage of our population. Their true goal is to get enough people dependent on the federal government that will 100% vote for them in every election so that their political power is never tested. Thank god we aren't at that point yet and are moving further away from that currently with record low unemployment rates.
News flash to you liberals, you aren't "helping" someone when you dis-incentivize that person from taking responsibility over their own life. Throwing them some scraps in the way of redistributionist tax and welfare policy does NOTHING to help that person to improve their own life. Instead it keeps them trapped in a cycle of near poverty and dooms their children to likely have the same fate. ONLY the Conservatives in the Republican Party truly believe that all Americans have the ability to take control of their own life and provide for themselves. Sure some people might need guidance to get on the right path but just handing them some free money each month for no reason sure as he!l won't do the trick.
I believe in providing the impoverished with the basic necessities they need (food, shelter, health care). I think that helps them more than letting them die. I do not believe that this disincentives them from improving their life beyond basic survival needs, nor do I believe it traps them.
How much of their "food, shelter, health care" should the productive/tax paying part of society provide? If it is all of it, that's damn near all of a person's living expenses on a day-to-day basis. If you agree we should provide all of that to an "impoverished" person, you basically proved my point for me that those people will never have an incentive to better themselves because everything they need to survive is already provided to them. So sad how many Americans have been guilt-tripped into believing this type of BS by the Democrat Media.
another perspective wrote:
local lib wrote:
I believe in providing the impoverished with the basic necessities they need (food, shelter, health care). I think that helps them more than letting them die. I do not believe that this disincentives them from improving their life beyond basic survival needs, nor do I believe it traps them.
How much of their "food, shelter, health care" should the productive/tax paying part of society provide? If it is all of it, that's damn near all of a person's living expenses on a day-to-day basis. If you agree we should provide all of that to an "impoverished" person, you basically proved my point for me that those people will never have an incentive to better themselves because everything they need to survive is already provided to them. So sad how many Americans have been guilt-tripped into believing this type of BS by the Democrat Media.
So you would prefer to let them die, and that is helping them more than not letting them die?
You don't think there is an incentive to have better food, better shelter, better health care?
another perspective wrote:
sometimes a spade isn't good wrote:
I'm a left leaning moderate, more and more so as I get older. I think the USA needs to be more moderate as well.
You're reasons for voting for Trump are, in my opinion, a big reason for the divide. Republicans (i'm generalizing big time here) vote for fiscal and policy stuff they agree with. Liberals, although often flawed in thinking through the details, default to policy that helps people. This is their greatest trait. They care about people and their instinct is to do what is best for people, not money or jobs or religion etc.
You pretty much wrote, " Trump is a piece of sh*t as a person but I don't truly care about how the president (or anyone else) treats people, so long as the policies are in line with what I believe and the economy is good."
You only get one life to live. ONE LIFE. To interact with other people and experience this planet.....and that's a road you're going to take?! Some policy you agree with and a pile of garbage human being?
That why liberals hate conservatives. Because they prioritize meaningless stuff over humans and they don't think of the big picture like people and the Earth. It's sad to think about.
Hilarious anytime I hear liberals (and trust me, you are strongly one based on your statements) say that the Democrat Party is about "helping people" and that they "care about people". Couldn't be further from the truth.
Democrats "help people" by over-taxing the populace and redistributing money to "those in need"... the problem is "those in need" are a group that the Democrat Party works to grow as a larger and larger percentage of our population. Their true goal is to get enough people dependent on the federal government that will 100% vote for them in every election so that their political power is never tested. Thank god we aren't at that point yet and are moving further away from that currently with record low unemployment rates.
News flash to you liberals, you aren't "helping" someone when you dis-incentivize that person from taking responsibility over their own life. Throwing them some scraps in the way of redistributionist tax and welfare policy does NOTHING to help that person to improve their own life. Instead it keeps them trapped in a cycle of near poverty and dooms their children to likely have the same fate. ONLY the Conservatives in the Republican Party truly believe that all Americans have the ability to take control of their own life and provide for themselves. Sure some people might need guidance to get on the right path but just handing them some free money each month for no reason sure as he!l won't do the trick.
We have such a low income tax and most of the world hates the current leadership. Why don't you look outside the vacuum of the united states. We could easily double our taxes and the things that are expensive (healthcare, education, maternity/paternity leave could be taken care of) Taxes aren't bad when they pay for stuff you pay for anyway! Corporations pay no taxes, but I bet you buy lots of stuff on Amazon, don't you?! Your company pays your healthcare i'm guessing, that's why you don't understand this concept of paying your way.
If taxes are high but help out other people, who cares?! that's good. You're the guy who will be pissed when cancer is cured because you'll say it wasn't fair to the others who didn't have access to the cancer cure....
Do you not feel that EVERY human should get basic rights such as food, water, shelter, healthcare etc?! Why not get those things and be able to enjoy your life, instead of being poor, a slave, working 3 jobs, all of those things? Why the hate on handouts and why not more introspection about why it would be nice for everyone to have a higher standard of living?! Is there some chip o your shoulder? Do you feel like a harder worker to get where you are. Maybe you did, but who cares. You really think working hard for your entire life is the point of life? that's sad.
Quick thought: some can be deadbeats, others can be hard workers and the it's fine. You're so petty you feel it's unjust?
you have a small view of this life you're living.