At least let's recognize them as the true qualifiers.
Would think the USATF should at a minimum recognize them with $$$$ for what they are potentially costing them
At least the cost of travel.
At least let's recognize them as the true qualifiers.
Would think the USATF should at a minimum recognize them with $$$$ for what they are potentially costing them
At least the cost of travel.
Cost of travel to what? This mistake cost who money?
So Who Are The 39 wrote:
At least let's recognize them as the true qualifiers.
Would think the USATF should at a minimum recognize them with $$$$ for what they are potentially costing them
At least the cost of travel.
polevaultpower wrote:
I really want to emphasize to anyone reading this who is directly impacted (athlete/coach/agent) please contact the USOC Ombudsman ASAP, especially if you were not notified of last night's hearing.
Phone: 888-ATHLETE
Email:
ombudsman@usathlete.orgThe USOC needs to know the extent of USATF's communication failures.
Good to hear as a coach of a devastated athlete called me this evening saying his athlete was put on the team, then put off the team with a phone call. He tried to call the person who took him off the team, has left 4 voice mails and never received a courtesy call back or even notification of the hearing last night.
Total amateur hour.
He called as he didn't know who he should contact.I just sent him that number and email address.
Hoe humm wrote:
Get ready to get used to Eugene and treated like royalty in a brand new venue dedicated to your sport.
You're really not going to want to see a meet anywhere else, because no where else in the USA will present and curate a meet as well as New Hayward Field and Eugene.
Mark these words, great things are coming :)
Everyone I know who went to NCAAs this year in Austin wants it back there at least every once in a while. So much more to do in Austin and so many better hotels. The Super Bowl isnt played in the Cowboys stadium ever year. Rotation makes it fun.
really? most people like to earn their spot on a us team wrote:
whemmy wrote:
BS. The onus is on our governing body to get it right, not on athletes to remove themselves from teams they were selected for. Nothing unethical about competing for the team that picked you.
Is it unethical to dope? one of the girls newly placed on the team is a convicted doper Imani Oliver, and ranked 14th in 2019?
Might not be unethical but is morally wrong to feel comfortable representing your country when you know for a fact that others are more deserving and want to compete but you took their spot...
The problem is that if there are alternates they probably are not the 39 athletes affected but are athletes with 2018 marks. Pressuring the selected team is not the answer.
Hope they can at least acknowledge they took the true qualifier spot when they meet face to face in the future.
It is a small running community and everyone will know who earned the spot and the one that got lucky.
FIRE MAX SIEGEL!!!!!
Max signed that document certifying that he read it and understood it. He needs to take responsibility as a leader does. But we will hear nothing from him.
puzzled wrote:
really? most people like to earn their spot on a us team wrote:
Is it unethical to dope? one of the girls newly placed on the team is a convicted doper Imani Oliver, and ranked 14th in 2019?
Might not be unethical but is morally wrong to feel comfortable representing your country when you know for a fact that others are more deserving and want to compete but you took their spot...
The problem is that if there are alternates they probably are not the 39 athletes affected but are athletes with 2018 marks. Pressuring the selected team is not the answer.
The onus shouldn't be on the athletes to fix the USATF's mistakes. The USATF needs to make this right.
Change.org wrote:
FIRE MAX SIEGEL!!!!!
That’s all well & good, but who are you going to replace him with? Who can you trust that can navigate through the clown show that is the USATF board of directors who basically have him as their stooge?
I’m guessing that he will be at Nike Prefontaine Classic. Love to see someone confront him on the Pan Am mess.
The USATF owes people a spot on the team and some money. Anyone screwed by them should be put on the team. Anyone taken off the team should be compensated with expenses for competition in Europe (in the very least) and money, as if compensating them for what they MIGHT have earned by being able to say that they were a Pan-Am Team member.
It is not always obvious to the athletes if they are in based on a 2018 or 2019 mark, because they don't know who in front of them filled out the right paperwork to be selected for the team. If you are ranked like top 6 on both lists, it is not obvious.
The fairest and best solution is to select the team based on 2019 marks.
That is what the rules said they said they would do. I don't see how anyone thought they'd be selected under a 2018 time (unless they really don't understand the sport
Athletes will not earn anything by being a part of the PanAm team. No prize money, it’s not on TV, not an overly competitive meet for the US.
runn wrote:
The USATF owes people a spot on the team and some money. Anyone screwed by them should be put on the team. Anyone taken off the team should be compensated with expenses for competition in Europe (in the very least) and money, as if compensating them for what they MIGHT have earned by being able to say that they were a Pan-Am Team member.
Ayy Cee Cee wrote:
Athletes will not earn anything by being a part of the PanAm team. No prize money, it’s not on TV, not an overly competitive meet for the US.
runn wrote:
The USATF owes people a spot on the team and some money. Anyone screwed by them should be put on the team. Anyone taken off the team should be compensated with expenses for competition in Europe (in the very least) and money, as if compensating them for what they MIGHT have earned by being able to say that they were a Pan-Am Team member.
It has huge implications for olympic qualifying, but okay keep living in a dream world...
Youre wrong wrote:
It has huge implications for olympic qualifying, but okay keep living in a dream world...
USATF has not yet announced if they will even consider the world rankings for team selection. They may choose athletes with the standard only.
So yes, Pan Ams have a big impact on the world rankings for US athletes who are not getting in tons of meets in Europe, but that may not end up having anything to do with team selection... unless they hit the Olympic standard at Pan Ams.
Either way, the meet is a big deal and this sucks for all affected athletes.
I’m hearing anything done now is too late and the USATF has turned in their version of rosters already
So I got a call from a very prominent coach last night who was told they were on the team based on their 2019 mark. Maybe a day later, his athlete was called and told they were being taken off the team (this is last week). The athlete was stunned and told the coach. The coach wanted an explanation so he go the name and number of the person from USATF who called his athlete. He's since called that person 4 times, leaving a voice mail each time. Nothing.
Like how unprofessional is that? Why at a minimum can't they just say, "I'm not at liberty to discuss this."
The athlete also was not told about the grievance process.