Asbel Kiprop speaks to BBC: "The truth will come out and it will clear my name." Calls for dopers to be jailed.

Quote -"Everyone seems to agree he had advance notice, and out of competition urine tests are something that happen frequently, even in Kenya. Seems like a rookie mistake to still get caught, for someone a decade into his pro-career." end quote

Kenya uses the ancient British legal system in law, and Kiprop should still be considered innocent, until the judges make their final decision," beyond reasonable doubt "

Actually, all of this should never have come into the open, because Kiprop's innocence might still result, pending IAAF final decision, but the regal/ectomorphic always elegantly attired Kiprop has had untold damage done to his reputation, despite the pictorials from Twitter with his world champion friends drinking merrily.

Paradox. Would those world champions commune with a doper ? The point is, those close to Asbel have not abandoned him.

We have to wait for IAAF's final decision, and even then, were the decision negative for A.K., his legal team could appeal to the higher court.

If that Twitter picture was indeed taken 11 hrs ago, then Kiprop is displaying the body language of someone who has nothing to hide, and possesses serenity that justice will be served, and his name re-established.

rekrunner wrote:

Not arguing against the guilty finding. A and B positive will be hard to overturn without real proof of sample tampering or something similar.

Still, even ignoring anything Kiprop says, one thing stands out to me as strange.

Everyone seems to agree he had advance notice, and out of competition urine tests are something that happen frequently, even in Kenya. Seems like a rookie mistake to still get caught, for someone a decade into his pro-career.

Lots of athletes have been caught doping later in their career...nothing new there. Remember the detection window for micrdosing EPO has been extended...perhaps he didn't get the memo.

You can seethe actually text here. Yes, warned ahead of time not to miss the test.

https://twitter.com/jakegshelley/status/992353468307378176?s=21

Then the mobile money “bribe” a staggering $32 (not $320 as this Magness guy thinks).

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/992433193319043073?s=21

https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/992339714798694400?s=21

For those who don’t know, M-Pesa is a mobile money transfer service , much better and more sophisticated and user friendly than Apple Pay, Kenyans use in lieu of cash or plastic. Pay for meals at restaurants or pay for ⛽️ at petrol stations . Send money to friends or family, settle debts, pay for utility bills, pay for physical and online retail, withdrawals and deposits to your actual bank accounts, purchase goods, services,taxi or Uber rides etc. You can do it on your phone without exposing your credit/debit cards or bank accounts to risk.

El Keniano wrote:

You can seethe actually text here. Yes, warned ahead of time not to miss the test.

https://twitter.com/jakegshelley/status/992353468307378176?s=21

Then the mobile money “bribe” a staggering $32 (not $320 as this Magness guy thinks).

https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/992339714798694400?s=21

➡gets the call from Simon @ 7:34PM, 21 Nov. to turn up for testing the next day (22 November)

➡but the test that he failed is officially dated the 27 November.

➡was Kiprop tested again in short succession?

Kiprop appears to have had an infection of some sort, azithromycin (Zithromax) and an allergy (piriton).

El Keniano wrote:

You can seethe actually text here. Yes, warned ahead of time not to miss the test.

https://twitter.com/jakegshelley/status/992353468307378176?s=21

"warned ahead of time" - and you wonder why people are suspicious of Kenyan athletes.

Yes, he's tested positive, and that won't ever go away - hate to agree with you on anything, but that is the sad fact. I rooted for him, since the 2008 Olympic final I've been a fan, and this is sad, very sad. Still stand by what I said about the lack of respect people like you are showing to ElKeniano - again, if you disagree with the perspective he offered, or don't see its relevance, that's understandable, but the fact that you figure it entitles you to show such contempt for him speaks volumes about you and people like you. And even though I guess you think you are so witty and smart, it's kinda sad how you project your own self-righteousness into your "analysis" of what he is doing..this is basically all you are capable of (see above re. speaking volumes about you) but I guess you figure that if you keep spewing, that's enough to make it true...

So who actually gave the test? The two individuals mentioned aren't a part of the Kenya Anti-doping authorities (if I'm reading the releases in the Tweet correctly) - but who are they part of? Their names appear in the release, and they seem to be known testing agents... Yes, the testing in Kenya is shambolic - WTH is going on?

It's nothing but a feckin' joke. wrote:

El Keniano wrote:

You can seethe actually text here. Yes, warned ahead of time not to miss the test.

https://twitter.com/jakegshelley/status/992353468307378176?s=21

"warned ahead of time" - and you wonder why people are suspicious of Kenyan athletes.

This is really the only objective way to look at things. Regardless of how you may feel about the man, or this whole affair.

El Keniano wrote:

You can seethe actually text here. Yes, warned ahead of time not to miss the test.

https://twitter.com/jakegshelley/status/992353468307378176?s=21

Then the mobile money “bribe” a staggering $32 (not $320 as this Magness guy thinks).

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/992433193319043073?s=21https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/992339714798694400?s=21

For those who don’t know, M-Pesa is a mobile money transfer service , much better and more sophisticated and user friendly than Apple Pay, Kenyans use in lieu of cash or plastic. Pay for meals at restaurants or pay for ⛽️ at petrol stations . Send money to friends or family, settle debts, pay for utility bills, pay for physical and online retail, withdrawals and deposits to your actual bank accounts, purchase goods, services,taxi or Uber rides etc. You can do it on your phone without exposing your credit/debit cards or bank accounts to risk.

Absolutely shambolic. I really hope that this is not normal protocol for drug testing in Kenya, where the testers are all mates with the athletes and just tell them when they are going to be tested.

Absolute joke.

El Keniano wrote:

You can seethe actually text here. Yes, warned ahead of time not to miss the test.

https://twitter.com/jakegshelley/status/992353468307378176?s=21

Then the mobile money “bribe” a staggering $32 (not $320 as this Magness guy thinks).

https://twitter.com/stevemagness/status/992433193319043073?s=21https://twitter.com/hajoseppelt/status/992339714798694400?s=21

For those who don’t know, M-Pesa is a mobile money transfer service , much better and more sophisticated and user friendly than Apple Pay, Kenyans use in lieu of cash or plastic. Pay for meals at restaurants or pay for ⛽️ at petrol stations . Send money to friends or family, settle debts, pay for utility bills, pay for physical and online retail, withdrawals and deposits to your actual bank accounts, purchase goods, services,taxi or Uber rides etc. You can do it on your phone without exposing your credit/debit cards or bank accounts to risk.

"sijui kama itakuwa na shida" - translate by google as

"I do not know if it will have trouble"

One has to wonder... Kiprop, an experienced runner of many years, really doesn't know which medicines may get him in trouble? Should I believe he is that naive? Of course not.

Or the much more logic explanation that he is alerting the anti-doping guy that he will fail the test? The anti-doping guy reassures him with "No problem" as if to say don't worry, we'll take care of that (as usual...)

The mobile money transferred amount is irrelevant without context. You forgot to mention the most important - M-Pesa allows transfers up to 70000 Kshs to a registered user - that's 700 USD and 35000 for non registered - 350 USD. That's pocket change and that's not where to look for money bribes. Let's investigate bank accounts and money transfers, shall we?

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Kiprop appears to have had an infection of some sort, azithromycin (Zithromax) and an allergy (piriton).

Wondering how taking all those tablets affected Kiprop's test ?

Those medicines might have seriously skewed the results of the EPO tests.

The mystery continues, because those remittance records and the actual testing have a 5 day gap, leading to serious questioning about the testers.

A.K. paid a sum of money to the tester, common in Kenya, but it seems the tester may have had an ax to grind with Kiprop, hence the adverse finding.

This is a possible scenario.

How long do we have to wait before the IAAF delivers its verdict ?

This is going on too long, and becoming something like the salbutamol Chris Froome case, who incidentally is also very serene, like the elegant Kenyan, with full support from Dave Brailsford and the Sky Team.

Ghost1 wrote:

Subway Surfers Addiction wrote:

Kiprop appears to have had an infection of some sort, azithromycin (Zithromax) and an allergy (piriton).

Wondering how taking all those tablets affected Kiprop's test ?

Those medicines might have seriously skewed the results of the EPO tests.

The mystery continues, because those remittance records and the actual testing have a 5 day gap, leading to serious questioning about the testers.

A.K. paid a sum of money to the tester, common in Kenya, but it seems the tester may have had an ax to grind with Kiprop, hence the adverse finding.

This is a possible scenario.

How long do we have to wait before the IAAF delivers its verdict ?

This is going on too long, and becoming something like the salbutamol Chris Froome case, who incidentally is also very serene, like the elegant Kenyan, with full support from Dave Brailsford and the Sky Team.

The Sky team are rotten to the core.

Anyone of interest current supporting Kiprop in Kenya would be wise to not do so publicly.

Also this case might well end up damaging the reputation of Kenyan athletics overall, if it transpires that tip offs and bribes are part and parcel of the out of season testing regime in Kenya, it could get AK in a lot of trouble.

Russia was banned for systematically doping it's athletes, but if anti-doping in Kenya turn out to be entirely compromised and basically just for show, then I can imagine that talk from the IAAF about banning Kenya for non-compliance will resurface.

Quote -"Also this case might well end up damaging the reputation of Kenyan athletics overall, if it transpires that tip offs and bribes are part and parcel of the out of season testing regime in Kenya, it could get AK in a lot of trouble. "

"Russia was banned for systematically doping it's athletes, but if anti-doping in Kenya turn out to be entirely compromised and basically just for show, then I can imagine that talk from the IAAF about banning Kenya for non-compliance will resurface." end quote

That would be a tragedy for the sport of running, were Kenya to be banned, and a travesty, because as Canova has proved, with a team of scientists - using EPO or other illicit substances, offers little, if any, benefit to those highland athletes born and raised in Kenya.

It begs the question, why would have A.K. taken anything, since he has proved, from the age of 16 years, that he was literally and figuratively head and shoulders above all his peers. That has not changed, and when Asbel is on song, he can win from the back, the front, or with basically any tactic that he fancies.

Asbel's unique body characteristics - super long levers on an extreme ectomorphic frame, give the always elegant and stately Kenyan, a supreme natural advantage. Doping would add little to those extraordinary advantages that Asbel possesses in the physical department.

His body shape is almost an anomaly, especially bearing in mind that he is able to coordinate such long levers in a coordinated and efficient way. When "on" it is like a man against boys.

Further, re. the Twitter pics with world champions supporting the elegant A.K., one can assume that those same people (those world champions) would not support someone alleged to have doped, as their own images would have been tarnished.

People are saying that it is a "done deal" but it seems A.K's legal team have some important things to reveal.

We should be patient.

I don't care for the argument that EPO doesn't work. It's idiotic.

Regardless, steroids, HGH and other drugs that aren't EPO work and nobody denies that they work. It has been shown in the past that distance runners, even marathon runners, take steroids with performance enhancing benefits.

Steroids and HGH enhance recovery of muscle tissue, and increase the force production from muscles (speed), without having to increase mass significantly. They can be a big advantage in the 800m, 1500m and even up to the marathon as I stated (for recovery).

Put simply, a lack of drug testing (or widespread compromised testing) allows for an athlete to take any drug they like, and would make a country non-compliant with the WADA code and the IAAF doesn't care whether you think EPO works or not. Kenya was already given an ultimatum back in 2016 to improve its drug testing situation or face a ban.

So yes, this could be very bad news for AK (Athletics Kenya, not Kiprop. Kiprop is fcked anyway). Maybe Kiprop should have just kept his mouth shut and taken his ban quietly...

Quote -"So yes, this could be very bad news for AK (Athletics Kenya, not Kiprop. Kiprop is fcked anyway). Maybe Kiprop should have just kept his mouth shut and taken his ban quietly...” end quote

Yes, very sad for A.K., but, as said before, we should wait for the defence team's statement of fact, which could exonerate the likeable Kiprop.

This is a stressful time for everyone concerned, and the damage caused will last a long time, unless the extenuating circumstances hold up.

Your implication that Canova's theories are not valid is surprising, because the Italian guru does not normally lay claim to statements unless they are well proved to be valid, and more importantly - stand the test of time.

Note - AK = Athletics Kenya

A.K. = Asbel Kiprop

For future reference, to avoid confusion, as they are coincidental letters.

Deanouk wrote:

LOL.

I have never seen a more blatant piece of lying!

I watched it on the 1:00pm BBC news here in the UK, and he suggests he was giving the testers money for them to buy tea!!!

I'd like to know how expensive tea is in Kenya!?

I hope there aren't people out there who would fall for this!

A Kenyan in UK once said to me I'll make you a Kenyan hot chocolate. He disappeared from the kitchen and brought out some Cadburys Hot chocolate!

ex-runner wrote:

Anyone of interest current supporting Kiprop in Kenya would be wise to not do so publicly.

He says at least two noted anti-doping campaigners, Eliud Kipchoge and Vivian Cheruiyot, have reached out and told him they believe him, risking their own reputations. Vivian, especially, is interesting because she has been vocally scathing about Jemima Sumgong in particular. Coming from the initial shock and anger, it appears Kenyan elites are choosing not to automatically condemn and isolate him as they’ve done with others who’ve failed tests. All Manangoi could say in that profile is Asbel is his hero and “I hope he is cleared”. And now that Instagram picture of him out for drinks with Conseslus, Rudisha and Ezekiel Kemboi, all fervent ‘clean sports’ advocates.

So ADAK have disowned the Simon guy meaning they have no case to answer about their testers giving athletes a heads up. Second, $32 dollars is not a bribe in any country. And third, the dates just don’t add up.

I am on record, on this forum, condemning Asbel for letting Kenya down, but I’m starting to think I may have been too hasty and should just wait and see how it unfolds.