This should be easy.
Buy a grill
Get some charcoal
Obtain hotdogs, hamburgers, and buns
Invite the neighbors over
This should be easy.
Buy a grill
Get some charcoal
Obtain hotdogs, hamburgers, and buns
Invite the neighbors over
Hahariiiiiiight wrote:
I think the effort here is key too. Hopefully you were hitting these at about 90, maybe 90-95% controlled effort towards the end, and not killing yourself....
Yes, absolutely. Seemed the most effort was getting up to speed in the first quarter mile or so each time. For most of the intervals, I was slowing into the finish.
I'm going to try to do 17 at around MP on Friday this week and see how it goes. If I can do it without major issues, I'm going to feel fairly confident that I've got it.
IndyJ wrote:
I'm going to try to do 17 at around MP on Friday this week and see how it goes. If I can do it without major issues, I'm going to feel fairly confident that I've got it.
This might be quite easy to do I recommend doing the following---
Find a good place to grill
Buy a grill
Get some charcoal
Obtain hotdogs, hamburgers, and buns
Invite the neighbors over
Bring some music
Larry, Curly and Moe wrote:
IndyJ wrote:I'm going to try to do 17 at around MP on Friday this week and see how it goes. If I can do it without major issues, I'm going to feel fairly confident that I've got it.
This might be quite easy to do I recommend doing the following---
Find a good place to grill
Buy a grill
Get some charcoal
Obtain hotdogs, hamburgers, and buns
Invite the neighbors over
Bring some music
Hot dogs and hamburgers is not BBQ! It’s grilling!
Only slow and low smoke ribs for my peoole
I think you have the BQ in the bag subject to race conditions being reasonable (not too hot). your training looks solid. Desi Linden runs a 26.2k at marathon pace. maybe you should do that instead of the 17 miler.
be careful in doing too much before the race. you don't want to get injured or overtrained. it's a fine line.
good luck! i'll be rooting for you.
IndyJ wrote:
I'm going to try to do 17 at around MP on Friday this week and see how it goes. If I can do it without major issues, I'm going to feel fairly confident that I've got it.
I'm no expert, but 17 at MP just 2 weeks out seems a bit aggressive - maybe dial it back to 12-13? I've had buddies do up to 18 at MP but that was at least 3 weeks from race day. Just my 2 cents.
Also, previous poster referenced Desi Linden doing 26.2K, which is about 13 miles. And I'm pretty sure NAZ Elite do 14 at MP as part of an 18 mile long run two weeks out. But then again - we're talking about pro runners here who are hitting 120+ mile weeks.
Hahariiiiiiight wrote:
IndyJ wrote:I'm going to try to do 17 at around MP on Friday this week and see how it goes. If I can do it without major issues, I'm going to feel fairly confident that I've got it.
I'm no expert, but 17 at MP just 2 weeks out seems a bit aggressive - maybe dial it back to 12-13? I've had buddies do up to 18 at MP but that was at least 3 weeks from race day. Just my 2 cents.
OK. That’s what I’ll do.
I ended up running a 3:17. I kept pace until around 22 or 23, then gradually bonked to a 9:05 final mile. The particular course (Indy) was a little hillier than I was used to in training. I wish I would have incorporated some hills training. More likely, though, I just need another training cycle, some more miles, and some better nutrition to make the leap to 3:10.
I’m going to target a spring marathon.
Thanks for all the advice here. I’m overall very pleased to go from 3:40 to 3:17 in a year.
Congrats on the huge PR! That was a solid block of training. I just saw this thread for the first time and read the whole thing this morning, lots of good stuff in it.
I was thinking you had a shot at the 3:10, but I thought it would be tough. I'm happy to see you went after it and still had a good race.
And kudos to you for coming back and updating. So few threads like this have an ending.
Have fun with your winter base and build up to a spring marathon.
Good job. I'm sure we crossed paths somewhere out there.
The hills are gentle, but they are definitely out there.
That's respect, man. Great job on the massive PR, and I know how much it hurts to miss out after all that training. Good luck in the future, I'd love to see another thread leading up to spring.
Thanks for all the kind words. I really do feel like I’m on the verge, even being seven minutes off. I know personally some gaps in my training that I can clean up over the next six months.
For me, personally, it’s pretty amazing to look back and see when I went 5:05-4:55 in back-to-back years to start my marathon journey. I had no idea what I was doing, really.
Thanks for reporting back. Fun thread to follow. Sorry you didn't make your time. Could probably have gone 3-4 minutes faster if you had went out a little slower, but like you said, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Still just a baby bonk.
Well done.
Good job. Look, it isn't the 3:10 you wanted, but dropping for 3:40 to 3:17 in a year is more than most people can ever reasonably expect.
It also seems like you learned quite a few things through this cycle, both about training and about yourself as a runner. Those things will prepare you even better for your next cycle.
Feel free to email me any time if you want to bounce some training ideas off of me.
It feels a little narcissistic to have a thread focused on the training of a pedestrian marathoner, by the standards of this place. But I guess I’m a hobby jogger who has made some big gains, so hopefully others can learn through my experiences as documented here the last few weeks.
IndyJ wrote:
It feels a little narcissistic to have a thread focused on the training of a pedestrian marathoner, by the standards of this place. But I guess I’m a hobby jogger who has made some big gains, so hopefully others can learn through my experiences as documented here the last few weeks.
There is more hobby joggers on this board than anyone would care to admit.
In any case I am looking forward to your prep for the spring 3:0X marathon.
Who knows, maybe this time next year you got your eyes on Sub 3. Stranger things have happened...
;)
Despite the elitism that you see on this board - most of which is false bravado as a result of the anonymity of the forum - we all go through the same emotions and deal with the same underlying issues, whether we are going for a sub-3:10 or an OTQ. Those runners shooting for an OTQ still have moments of self-doubt, still wonder if their training has been enough, still wonder if they are ready. Many of them are self-coached and uncertain about the best approach to training and have questions just like you have. That's one of the great things about running - the commonality of the experience.
IndyJ wrote:
It feels a little narcissistic to have a thread focused on the training of a pedestrian marathoner, by the standards of this place. But I guess I’m a hobby jogger who has made some big gains, so hopefully others can learn through my experiences as documented here the last few weeks.
IndyJ wrote:
I ended up running a 3:17. I kept pace until around 22 or 23, then gradually bonked to a 9:05 final mile. The particular course (Indy) was a little hillier than I was used to in training. I wish I would have incorporated some hills training. More likely, though, I just need another training cycle, some more miles, and some better nutrition to make the leap to 3:10.
I’m going to target a spring marathon.
Thanks for all the advice here. I’m overall very pleased to go from 3:40 to 3:17 in a year.
Awesome man, congrats on the huge PR! And thanks for coming back and updating - I was wondering how this would turn out.