Actually it does wrote:
Your argument that a few people got PB's is likewise meaningless.
ExpertKipWatcher wrote:
Now you are trolling or haven't looked, of the first 200 finishers 98 got PBs
Stop being so stupid.
The only thing that matter is if the course is accurate.
Expert of wrongness wrote:
Stop being so stupid.
The only thing that matter is if the course is accurate.
Living up to your handle I see, what would you expect to see in terms of PBs for a short course?
There was some highly questionable mile marking going on as well - I was recording splits of around 5.30 - 5.40, then mile 9 this dropped to 5.12, then down to 5.10 at mile 10. I've so far avoided talking about this in my posts as I don't think this is strong enough evidence to say the course was short.
However I have explained in great detail how they changed the course, removing more distance then they added, which is the actual cause of the short course. The GPS recordings of runners was the warning sign If you like, the satellite mapping is hard evidence. I will happily accept GPS recordings are inaccurate.
Remember If they are keeping quiet the course alterations, they can use their measurement certificate from the "old" course to suggest their race was the correct distance.
Here's a brief recap of all the evidence:
-0.13 mile deficit between distance added at Pollok Park, and distance removed at Festival Park. (suggests 0.13 miles short)
-End to end satellite mapping of the altered route suggests it's 0.101 miles short:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6966625
-Front of the field records GPS distance of 20.9km. (NOT hard evidence in itself, but in agreement with all the other evidence)
How not to measure a half marathon course (courtesy of fetcheveryone):
https://anonmgur.com/up/b4b4e0aa1ad29399c656e3f048bd876c.jpg
I can't believe someone is trying to use that as a suggestion that the course was the correct distance. If you are going to try to measure a half marathon course:
1. Measure the right roads. (takes shortest path round the curving slip road not what they mapped)
2. Don't use auto measuring on a street map. Manually map the lines on a satellite map to follow the shortest route. (but leaving a margin of around 1m at all times like official measurers would)
Meh.
course_was_altered wrote:
-0.13 mile deficit between distance added at Pollok Park, and distance removed at Festival Park. (suggests 0.13 miles short)
-End to end satellite mapping of the altered route suggests it's 0.101 miles short:
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=6966625-Front of the field records GPS distance of 20.9km. (NOT hard evidence in itself, but in agreement with all the other evidence)
Your 0.101 miles short value is 162.5 metres which is impressively close to the official 147.5 metres short
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-38798775It's a huge shame for Scottish running in general, and in particular Callum Hawkins. That said, it's nice to be proved right after so many of you called me out and dismissed all the evidence that was staring you in the face.
No refunds being offered either, just "guaranteed entry" into 2017. But they have confirmed this does not mean free entry, just they'll offer you a place in their race that doesn't fill up and no-one wants to run anymore.
Followed this thread a while back after the great result from Callum Hawkins and it was patently obvious from your excellent detailed post that the course was short.
The reaction of the Great Run company, led by the horrendous Brendan Foster, was utterly predictable - instead of actually looking for the truth, just deny the obvious and not leave themselves open to having to refund people. If Callum Hawkins hadn't broken the record I bet this would never have been investigated.
GSR 2017 is on BBC2 except for Wales where they are showing the Cardiff HM instead. The Beeb mention Butchart but not Hawkins?
"In front of nearly 12,000 mass runners will be the men's and women's elite races, contested by stellar fields of international and domestic stars including Britons Andy Butchart and Jo Pavey."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b097f3q7
Scottish Athletics preview here:
http://www.scottishathletics.org.uk/scottish-half-marathon-preview/
Rob Gilroy who has run 31.38 10k this year as an M40 is one of the leading masters along with Kerry Liam Wilson.
The Scots can't even properly measure a race course, and yet they want to breakaway from England!!!
