pointer of things wrote:
If you can't run a 3 hour marathon, you shouldn't be running 1:32 halfs as your long run
#hobbyjogger
pointer of things wrote:
If you can't run a 3 hour marathon, you shouldn't be running 1:32 halfs as your long run
#hobbyjogger
true HJ wrote:
This chart is a good example of one race's criteria.
http://www.bolderboulder.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Qual_Chart_2016.pdf
F**k me, I'm in corral A. Not looking forward to being in last place for my wave.
Yes wrote:
What if I ran a 2:44:50 marathon in Strava but the chip marks it as 2:45:01?
If it's not strava real, it didn't happen.
formerD1 wrote:
Your times are stupid.
10:00 for a 2mile is way too easy.
1:20 half marathon lol any decent runner could do that as a long slow distance run. 2:45 marathon sounds pathetically easy as well.
Revise to:
9:40
1:15
2:35
I tend to agree with this. Back in HS before I turned into a hobby jogger I ran 9:43 in the 3200 when I was running 4:38 for 1600.
Can we please stop deciding whether or not someone is a "hobby jogger" based on times/performances? That being said, here's my $0.02:
1. If you at all care about being called a hobby jogger over a runner, you are a runner.
2. Tying in to #1, anyone who is actually serious about training and doing all of the little things necessary to improve should not be called a hobby jogger. Yes, we may not be getting paid to run, so technically it is a hobby, but I see this term as derogatory, especially since someone may simply just have a lack of talent, and no matter how hard a guy works, he was never able to break 16:00 for 5k. I myself have only broken one of those times (granted, I've never run a half or full marathon), but I do not in any way see myself as a hobby jogger.
Long story short, if you have the competitive drive to do well and are showing that, you are not a hobby jogger.
In golf you have hackers and duffers. I guess a hacker is somewhat better than a duffer. So for a round of 18 holes on a decent par 72 course, what's a hacker score 80? Duffer, 100? What's running's equivalent to a clubhouse pro? How many clubhouse pros are in the US? Can you equate that to a 5K or marathon. I'd guess a clubhouse pro would run sub 14:20 and be aiming for sub 2:20 marathon. Using above logic (ha, I'm being facetious here!), you could put decent amateur runner at club house pro plus 10%, so 15:46 and 2:34 for marathon, and 17:10/2:50 for women. Make hobby jogger the equivalent of a duffer, so about a 30% drop from clubhouse pro (that's about 18:45-18:50 for 5K, and 3:00 to 3:02 for the marathon (20:20-20:30 and 3:22-3:25 for females).
There, now you have new Boston Standards as well. Keep it simple sub 3 for men, sub 3:24 for women.
No more hobby joggers (duffers). You at least have to be at a low-end "hacker" level to BQ.
Attitude over performance wrote:
Can we please stop deciding whether or not someone is a "hobby jogger" based on times/performances? That being said, here's my $0.02:
1. If you at all care about being called a hobby jogger over a runner, you are a runner.
2. Tying in to #1, anyone who is actually serious about training and doing all of the little things necessary to improve should not be called a hobby jogger. Yes, we may not be getting paid to run, so technically it is a hobby, but I see this term as derogatory, especially since someone may simply just have a lack of talent, and no matter how hard a guy works, he was never able to break 16:00 for 5k. I myself have only broken one of those times (granted, I've never run a half or full marathon), but I do not in any way see myself as a hobby jogger.
Long story short, if you have the competitive drive to do well and are showing that, you are not a hobby jogger.
As I said before, your criteria #1 identifies you as a hobby jogger. If you were not one, you wouldn't care in the slightest if someone thought you were.
reading btwn the lines wrote:
Attitude over performance wrote:Can we please stop deciding whether or not someone is a "hobby jogger" based on times/performances? That being said, here's my $0.02:
1. If you at all care about being called a hobby jogger over a runner, you are a runner.
2. Tying in to #1, anyone who is actually serious about training and doing all of the little things necessary to improve should not be called a hobby jogger. Yes, we may not be getting paid to run, so technically it is a hobby, but I see this term as derogatory, especially since someone may simply just have a lack of talent, and no matter how hard a guy works, he was never able to break 16:00 for 5k. I myself have only broken one of those times (granted, I've never run a half or full marathon), but I do not in any way see myself as a hobby jogger.
Long story short, if you have the competitive drive to do well and are showing that, you are not a hobby jogger.
As I said before, your criteria #1 identifies you as a hobby jogger. If you were not one, you wouldn't care in the slightest if someone thought you were.
Once again you are not good at reading between the lines at all.
Being a hobby jogger is 100% about attitude and knowledge, not performance. I say this having comfortably achieved all of those 'standards' defined by the OP in all the ones I have attempted. Never run a half or a marathon. I've run 1:50 in the 800m and 3:50 in the 1500m.
You are a hobby jogger because you think running is just about logging miles and thinking you are better than everyone else. If someone is dedicated, trains hard and runs 17:30 in the 5k, they are not a hobby jogger.
A hobby jogger is someone that:
1. Doesn't understand/have knowledge of or watch the (elite) sport.
2. Thinks further = better.
3. Thinks completing is competing.
4. Gives up racing and ceases a training plan for no reason other than they can't be bothered anymore (not due to injury etc.).
5. Has unrealistic targets because they don't understand or respect the sport.
Thank you. I very much appreciate you writing this.
Attitude over performance wrote:
... anyone who is actually serious about training and doing all of the little things necessary to improve should not be called a hobby jogger.
Anyone who actually cares about "little things" like stretching, core exercises, sleep, nutrition, icing, and foam rolling is a hobby jogger. Just look at the number of threads on those topics on the Hobby Jogger's World (aka Runner's World) site. A real runner only cares about running. If you are serious enough about running, you do not have enough time or attention to be bothered about those frivolous stuffs.
I bet all the suggested ranges or cut off points are set in such a way that each poster who offers their opinion escapes the hobby jogger status. Thus making this exercise exactly crap.
H-to-the-obby J-to-the-ogger
coach deez nuts wrote:
Sesamoiditis wrote:Also, if you run a half marathon and talk about it as anything other than a build up race you are a hobby jogger.
This is one of the stupidest things anyone on this site has ever posted.
Nope. The half marathon is the ultimate hobby jogger distance. Runners don't train for half marathons. If they do, it is part of their progression to the marathon. Have you ever heard a runner describe himself as a half-marathoner?
Sesamoiditis wrote:
coach deez nuts wrote:This is one of the stupidest things anyone on this site has ever posted.
Nope. The half marathon is the ultimate hobby jogger distance. Runners don't train for half marathons. If they do, it is part of their progression to the marathon. Have you ever heard a runner describe himself as a half-marathoner?
Kamworor? Tadese? Karoki? Solomon Yego?
There are lots of elites that mainly race the half.
How convenient wrote:
I bet all the suggested ranges or cut off points are set in such a way that each poster who offers their opinion escapes the hobby jogger status. Thus making this exercise exactly crap.
This is exactly correct. The slow Hobbyists who couldn't break any of my standards if their life depended on it are making arbitrary rules for themselves because they CANT surpass any of the TIME QUALIFICATIONS.
Newsflash: The only thing that matters is TIME, not how much time you spend stretching or how much you know. Get over it.
A hobby jogger is someone who jogs for a hobby, and a runner is someone who runs. Simple enough.
I would have only given you 2/10 but all the replies say you deserve more like 8/10. Despite the fact that this has come up 100s of times you got 6 pages. Nice troll!
Side note: When you grow up a little you might find that a life long goal of demeaning others is fairly empty.
HJ
........... wrote:
A hobby jogger is someone who jogs for a hobby, and a runner is someone who runs. Simple enough.
Wrong again.
Hobby Jogger = CANNOT FOR THE LIFE OF THEM break any of the universal time standards.
Runner = CAN break at least 1, some or all of the universal time standards.
If you've never been selected to run for your country you're a hobby jogger.
JustMe wrote:
Side note: When you grow up a little you might find that a life long goal of demeaning others is fairly empty.
HJ
I'm not demeaning others. I simply made the factual observation that SLOGGERS are those who CANNOT surpass any of the universal time standards. Actual RUNNERS can.
Why is this simple concept so difficult for some of you?