........ wrote:
What about Geb?
You mean the king of the EPO-era?
........ wrote:
What about Geb?
You mean the king of the EPO-era?
agip wrote:
Brady's deflated ball wrote:Ah the classic "zero proof" card. Are we really still playing the card in 2016 after a f$%king flotilla of athletes just got outed for doping for years without any "proof" against them and names such as Lance Armstrong, Marion Jones had to be threatened with perjury just to admit doping after never failing tests (therefore also never providing "proof"). Seriously dude f-you and your f-ing "proof" theory...
just to be factual, armstrong did test positive - several times, apparently
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-04-17/armstrong-tested-positive-for-steroids-four-times-in-1999-tourbut that doesn't exactly help my argument since the IAAF appears to be as bad as the cycling weenies who let armstrong off after those positive tests.
but to the point again, I think saying 100% of medalists are dopers is not in the realm of argument given the facts that we have. Using the 100% numebr when so few medalists have been caught is not acceptable to me.
maybe the better reply to you is to point out that at the Tour, winners had been caught left and right. ever seen that chart of DQd podium winners at the tour? it's practically everyone. So there was evidence to the outsider cycle fan that almost everyone was doping.
In track we don't have that chart with almost every medalist having been caught and dqd. So comparing tdF to track is not logical, given the evidence we have.
And Marion jones was in the pre-passport days.
kajsdtkjasd wrote:
WADA should be testing Bekele every other day. Ridiculous how out of reach his world records are.
That is not WADA's job. That's the IAAF's job. Good thing they are a well run sports federation with no corruption history.
You know who wrote:
Totally incorrect. They should be dying, because at the end they should be using all of their energy systems, including anaerobic lactic and alactic, and consuming every bit right to the line.
Those ridiculous names you mentioned are NOT that much better than their competition that they can stay aerobic while everyone else opens the anaerobic floodgates and goes into acidosis.
Complete b.s. An easy win, or an insane time with no apparent distress, in middle distance or distance are the clearest signs of a doper.
Wrong wrong wrong. This is not how running works, sorry.
Bekele, Kiprop, Dibaba might be doping, they might not. You have no idea and blinded by overconfidence in your own model of the way things are.
It's logical to be cynical about performances by Russian based athletes in recent times as there's documented systemic corruption and reams of evidence of cheating.
Although there's obviously cheating and corruption, it's clear that neither Kenya or Ethiopia are identical scenarios to Russia.
Is Steve Ovett a ridiculous name? Was he clearly doping here when he thrashed the world's best with complete ease?
https://youtu.be/0W7GogWlv7Q?t=3m6sNO. No one suspects Ovett. He was not cheating.
coach d wrote:
But, quite frankly, competitive distance running is the biggest pile of trash I have ever seen. Distance running is now being compared with the tdf and the IAAF is being compared with FIFA, and not in a positive way.
What I see on here is a bunch of distance runners, including the people running this site, totally in denial for not facing up to how corrupt their sport really is.
Stick to sprinting, where everyone is clean.
dvp wrote:
NO. No one suspects Ovett. He was not cheating.
um... what??
hilariously wrote:
dvp wrote:NO. No one suspects Ovett. He was not cheating.
um... what??
Go on then, feel free to let us know what you (don't) have on Steve Ovett.
I'm not holding my breath.
Wrong.
Bekele and Dibaba have used. 100%. Kiprop I don't know, but I will err on the side of caution and say that he used. Yes, the assumption is that they HAVE used, not that they have NOT used.
I know nothing of Ovett. I know nothing of the quality of the field he raced against for that win. I also absolutely do not accept your contention that nobody suspects him, or that he was not cheating.
I, for instance, suspect him. Good drugs have been around for a long time, even when he was running. If he was competing against an excellent field in that vid, then YES, he was using, assuming at least some of the other athletes were comparably trained and comparably prepared.
Wake the F up. Take your head out of your F'ing butt. How incredibly credulous, gullible, and stupid can you be?
Yes, occasionally we see something incredible, a once-in-a-lifetime great athlete...but not record-breaking as regularly as it occurs, and not douchebags winning easily, guys like Makhloufi.
YES, he's a douchebag, and my assessment of his character matters. In fact, it matters more than any of your chain-of-custody or test results.
Also, not athletes having historic performance after historic performance after historic performance, while flying all around the globe to do it. Gatlin in 2015 is an obvious example.
HardLoper wrote:
LOL, now Shannon Rowbury is the #2 non tainted performance
LOL, Roid Rage Rowbury is a NOPer. Every NOPer is a doper.
By the way, it's morons like you who are secondarily responsible for the demise of the sport.
Primary culpability goes to the dopers, and those who enable them--coaches, trainers, pharmacists, drug peddlers, etc.
Secondary culpability goes to the morons who, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, give these douches the benefit of the doubt.
Nobody wants to be a part of that shlt, which is why nobody watches track. It's not a criminal trial, it's running, jumping, and throwing. It doesn't need to be hard, it is only morons like you who make it hard. If you protested more and didn't stick to your fanatical devotion to an activity that is at best meaningless and at worst absurd--that is, IF YOU GOT A LIFE--track would do 1 of 2 things, according to demand: 1) clean up, or 2) acknowledge that it's a freak show; 2 outcomes that are preferable to its current pathetic existence, with morons like you masturbating to false heroes.
Yummy Drugs wrote:
HardLoper wrote:LOL, now Shannon Rowbury is the #2 non tainted performance
LOL, Roid Rage Rowbury is a NOPer. Every NOPer is a doper.
She wasn't a NOPer in 2012.
You know who wrote:
Wrong.
Bekele and Dibaba have used. 100%.
You were part of their teams?
dvp wrote:
NO. No one suspects Ovett. He was not cheating.
LMAO
Everyone before OOC testing is suspect, especially world record holders.
You know who wrote:
Wrong.
Bekele and Dibaba have used. 100%. Kiprop I don't know, but I will err on the side of caution and say that he used. Yes, the assumption is that they HAVE used, not that they have NOT used.
I know nothing of Ovett. I know nothing of the quality of the field he raced against for that win. I also absolutely do not accept your contention that nobody suspects him, or that he was not cheating.
I, for instance, suspect him. Good drugs have been around for a long time, even when he was running. If he was competing against an excellent field in that vid, then YES, he was using, assuming at least some of the other athletes were comparably trained and comparably prepared.
Wake the F up. Take your head out of your F'ing butt. How incredibly credulous, gullible, and stupid can you be?
Yes, occasionally we see something incredible, a once-in-a-lifetime great athlete...but not record-breaking as regularly as it occurs, and not douchebags winning easily, guys like Makhloufi.
YES, he's a douchebag, and my assessment of his character matters. In fact, it matters more than any of your chain-of-custody or test results.
Excellent work. You know nothing of one of the greatest middle distance runners ever. You don't know the field he was against there (John Walker ffs!) and haven't bothered to look. And yet you are qualified to pronounce with absolute confidence on who is and isn't cheating around the world without a shred of evidence.
Record breaking is too regular? Above 800m there hasn't been a men's track record for more than a decade.
I've not mentioned Makhloufi at all, what the hell are you on about? His Olympic performance looked suspiciously good but it does seem Kiprop's injury was genuine and he has since gone well under 3:30 so who knows there? Your assessment of his character is more significant than any evidence of his innocence or guilt? Okay, you are an idiot.
Of course there's lots of cheats but your hysterical reaction is laughable.
You know who wrote:
By the way, it's morons like you who are secondarily responsible for the demise of the sport.
Primary culpability goes to the dopers, and those who enable them--coaches, trainers, pharmacists, drug peddlers, etc.
Secondary culpability goes to the morons who, in the face of all evidence to the contrary, give these douches the benefit of the doubt.
Nobody wants to be a part of that shlt, which is why nobody watches track. It's not a criminal trial, it's running, jumping, and throwing. It doesn't need to be hard, it is only morons like you who make it hard. If you protested more and didn't stick to your fanatical devotion to an activity that is at best meaningless and at worst absurd--that is, IF YOU GOT A LIFE--track would do 1 of 2 things, according to demand: 1) clean up, or 2) acknowledge that it's a freak show; 2 outcomes that are preferable to its current pathetic existence, with morons like you masturbating to false heroes.
I haven't really got much to say to this, I just thought I'd reply to it and quote it to draw some attention to it because it's funny.
I don't know whether I want you to be a troll looking to wind me up and get me to argue with you or whether you're really such a loon. Either way, great effort you mad bugger!
not in 2012 wrote:
Yummy Drugs wrote:LOL, Roid Rage Rowbury is a NOPer. Every NOPer is a doper.
She wasn't a NOPer in 2012.
But she was known as Roid Rage Rowbury in 2012.
epic fail wrote:
Abeba aregawi tested positive for doping. Good recruitment by sweden
Tip of the iceberg. The new WR is another small part of this.
LOL at the PC LR cucks to who defend Africans to the death. It's a mess of unbelievable proportions.
One has to wonder what happened, who Aregawi or her handlers ticked off to end up with her getting popped. LOL
No, YOU are the idiot.
That is something that has been proven again and again...and again.
Yes, look at the 1500 for instance. EVERYBODY knows all the top performances are from "the EPO era", just look at the top list.
The only guys to penetrate those ranks recently are Farah, Iguider, Makhloufi, Kiplagat, and Kiprop.
What, all of a sudden, from 2012-2015 there are a bunch of guys who penetrate the absolute top rank of massive EPO users? Cleanly? Yeah, right. Why not in 2008? 2009? 2007?
Because something new and interesting came on line for the 2012 season, that is why. It's what also permitted Bolt to run 9.69 and 19.30
How many times do you need to hear it. You are a complete idiot. It is only a matter of time before EVERY ONE of your heroes falls. Yes, some get lucky and get away with it, and that's too bad--but it's still absolutely obvious that they were doping. El Guerrouj, sure. Michael Johnson, ya, right. Whatever.
What sucks is that there is regularly a new crop of athletes in which you vest your faith...only to have your sacred mountain eroded by the ravages of time, during which we chip away at the facade to reveal the decay underneath. Sure some spots of the facade remain, but the rot underneath becomes all-too-visible and spoils the appearance of the entire edifice.
You idiot. You are so incredibly stupid. But thanks to the likes of you, we will always have morons to do things like run out into the withering machine gun fire of no-man's land, or strap on and detonate a C4 vest.
Better you than me. Thanks to the fact that there are morons like you around, I won't have to do those things.
It's fascinating, however, that you could be so absolutely credulous, so totally stupid. You're like a teenager in love--totally absorbed, totally blind, totally absurd, totally convinced.
And totally laughable.
agip wrote:
no kidding. I wrote on this or a different thread the same thing you are writing. that I can't really follow the sport anymore other than a dozen or so handpicked athletes I have faith in.
It just rubs me wrong when the EVERYONE claim is made. I jusst don't believe that is possible. Mary Cain? Molly Huddle? enfield? Ritz? Jenny S? I think the EVERYONE claim is as silly as saying there are just a few bad apples.
WHHHOOOO wrote:The problem is, the more these positive tests come out, the more belief there will be that all the top performances are tainted. They will all be painted with the same PED brush to the point that perception will become reality for so many people. I also have huge doubts about our sport to the point that I'm sure in a few years (assuming this continues) I will no longer follow it or support it. You can holler "show me the proof!" all you want but once the general public has enough of these PED cheaters, all top performers will be viewed as such. It's not fair but that's what's going to happen and no evidence will be needed for everyone who will be viewed with suspicion. It's already happening with the athletes - just a matter of time before Joe and Jane Public have the same viewpoint.
Obviously it not impossible to dope in the U.S., but it is not easy and it is very risky. At a minimum, you are going to receive 3 OOC random and surprise test. Even if you are micro-doping, if you happen to get tested with 24 hours, you are going to get popped. As I said, it is possible, but risky. Also, most of the U.S. global championship medal contender are tested more often.