For some, the world goes on. For others, their world is destroyed. People who drive carelessly for whatever reason need to hear things like this to realize the long-lasting impact their recklessness has on people.
I agree. I also wonder why we have not heard anything more about Valerie Bray.
RIP Cameron's grandmother.
My condolences to the family and friends of Steve Bean.
fisky. Thanks for the map. Not sure if this evidentary
or pertinent but fisky's map got me thinking. Why
not use google maps and get a random sampling
of the drivers that appear to using a digital device
on the road where the accident occurred?
Take that variable. We get (using google.com/maps)
Right about
"476 Moccasin Bend Rd, Chattonooga, Tennessee"
There are two semi-trucks (one blue, one green)
headed in opposite directions
if you look closely at the blue semi-cab marked
"Reece Electric Trucking Inc"
headed north. Zoom in to the drivers cab?
It appears the man is on digital device?
Can we assume that all drivers are using digital devices, no.
But if drivers are operating semis and using digital devices
while operating a vehicle, needs to assessed by
the states law makers.
Now zoom into the green semi headed south
in the direction of the google car. Zoom in to
driver. It appears he has one hand on the wheel,
but uncleaer where his right hand is?
The point. Google maps can be a great source
of deciphering data about drivers who use
any road where drivers are using digital devices
while operating a vehicle.
Recalcitrant Scot wrote:
already guilty? wrote:The roads are for cars. If you insist on running/cycling on the road/on the shoulder of a road, then you have decided to risk your life. Even the best drivers aren't perfect and a 2 ton car going anywhere from 35-60 MPH is going to cause serious harm/death when a mistake happens.
I find it bone chillingly scary that any motorist could even begin to think like this.
This is how the wonderboy/spokesperson for LetsRun, Flagpole, thinks about it.
And before you delete this post Brosjo, remember, this is the mentality that YOU have fostered through your selective editing of user comments from another recent tragedy.
Top Noticer wrote:
Recalcitrant Scot wrote:I find it bone chillingly scary that any motorist could even begin to think like this.
This is how the wonderboy/spokesperson for LetsRun, Flagpole, thinks about it.
And before you delete this post Brosjo, remember, this is the mentality that YOU have fostered through your selective editing of user comments from another recent tragedy.
How a motorist thinks about this should be of no consequence. You don't need a driver to believe that the roads are for cars (though most do think that) for there to be an accident. Motorcycles are hard to see. Runners are even harder to see. I'm not going to tell all of you that it's foolish to run on roads, because I've done that and it's a losing battle as for some reason this is a hot button issue for most of you (not sure why, but I don't need to understand all things). I personally will not do it anymore (used to do it a LOT), but everyone has to weigh their own risk vs. reward. Sad about this runner.
hmrambling wrote:
Ted Underhill wrote:She should also receive community service aimed at advocacy.
Community service on the side of the road, and she can hope that distracted drivers who are texting are able to see her as they approach her.
Sounds reasonable
head in sandd wrote:
Why? Its 100% accurate. Roads *are* for cars and the risk for others is real. Ive run and cycled 1000s of miles and I accept the risk. I don't act like it doesn't exist.
I find it scary someone thinks like *you*.
rip Mr. Bean
Recalcitrant Scot wrote:I find it bone chillingly scary that any motorist could even begin to think like this.
Rest in peace, Cameron. I hope the authorities find the truth.
Huh? That is simply incorrect. Roads are not only for cars. They are for bicyclists, pedestrians, etc, also.
Use a bit of logic. What came first - the car or the road? Obviously, there were roads before there were cars, so it is patently false that they are only for cars.
Flagpole wrote:
How a motorist thinks about this should be of no consequence. You don't need a driver to believe that the roads are for cars (though most do think that) for there to be an accident. Motorcycles are hard to see. Runners are even harder to see.
I have to agree with this. I've only run on the roads 7 times this year, not counting races.
Years ago, before texting, I was running facing traffic on a long straight stretch of road. By straight, I mean a mile to the top of the hill and there was no traffic on the road except for one car. It was coming towards me as I was running facing traffic. I thought he wasn't giving me much room, but the shoulders were uneven so I stuck to the edge of the pavement. When the car got maybe 200 feet away, it suddenly swerved over to the middle of the road. I realized the driver had JUST SEEN ME for the first time.
Flagpole wrote:
Top Noticer wrote:This is how the wonderboy/spokesperson for LetsRun, Flagpole, thinks about it.
And before you delete this post Brosjo, remember, this is the mentality that YOU have fostered through your selective editing of user comments from another recent tragedy.
How a motorist thinks about this should be of no consequence. You don't need a driver to believe that the roads are for cars (though most do think that) for there to be an accident. Motorcycles are hard to see. Runners are even harder to see. I'm not going to tell all of you that it's foolish to run on roads, because I've done that and it's a losing battle as for some reason this is a hot button issue for most of you (not sure why, but I don't need to understand all things). I personally will not do it anymore (used to do it a LOT), but everyone has to weigh their own risk vs. reward. Sad about this runner.
Not to derail the thread, but if you do not run on roads, where do you run? If trails, what would you do if there are no suitable trails in your area, like there are none in mine?
I'm just seeing the post about Cameron's grandmother. Renewed sadness. Does anyone in the Chattanooga area have updates on if the driver faces any charges?
bump
"Valerie J. Bray was indicted on several charges including vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of an accident for the hit-and-run death of 28-year-old Cameron Bean."
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/30916276/driver-indicted-in-runners-hit-and-run-death
RIP Cameron wrote:
"Valerie J. Bray was indicted on several charges including vehicular homicide and leaving the scene of an accident for the hit-and-run death of 28-year-old Cameron Bean."
http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/30916276/driver-indicted-in-runners-hit-and-run-death
Finally!
As best I can tell, vehicular homicide is punishable in Tennessee by 3-15 years in prison.
Here is another onehttp://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/01/05/man-indicted-not-identified-runners-death/78274774/
As someone who travels this road many times. First my heart goes out to the family. I wish we had a side lane for bikes and runners.Many times on my way to work I have observed several runners and bikers in group's of two or even three abreast. I know this is a beautiful place to ride and run. But I am in know way making light of this terrible loss. We have to watch for cars, bikes, runners, and deer huntingand even wild turkeys. I realize animals are insignificant to you, but this is a federal reserve.
Just saw this article in the Chattanooga paper regarding Cameron Bean. Despite his tragic death, he lives on through 5 others now because he was an organ donor.
Glad to hear there'll be some justice. I used to run on busy roads a lot but have since stopped
You are only seeing this an an accident. I and probably most of the people on this board have experienced being TARGETED by drivers. Drivers swerving AT YOU, throwing objects, yelling things -- this is the mindset of people who think roads exist only for vehicles. You can't tell me this kind of behavior is an ACCIDENT. It's not. The president of my running club once got in a face to face jawdown with a driver who believed the roads were only for vehicles and nearly ran him over.
LetsRun.com wrote:
Such a shame. Our condolences to everyone who knew him.
Bumping this thread because today marks 2 years since Cameron passed away. Many of those who knew him are wearing "Cam Run" shirts today to remember and honor him.
Please take a moment to reflect on his life and running accomplishments. And please remember to drive carefully and share the roads with runners and cyclists.
Since the information wasn't posted in this thread, here's what happened with the woman charged in Cameron Bean's death: