RACISM/PREJUDICE AT GEORGETOWN UNIVERSITY TRACK AND FIELD/XC

Too much opinion. I only want to know facts. And I only want to see unbiased proof of those facts. Only then can I feel your plight. Also, this is the truth if you want to be taken seriously. Your writing is intended for people to feel sorry for you. Your writing should be used to change the system.

Life's unfair for everyone in varying degrees. Do better research before signing on to something binding.

I have been reading these posts and responses but everyone is forgetting the real reason that all of this is occurring in the first place... Do not get me wrong Nate and Stef need to be held responsible for the actions they have taken... Nate and Stef (and MANY more) have had someone in their ear since 2013. (Edited by LetsRUn.com to remove the name of a person ***) A former coach at Gtown who has now left the program - is someone who should never be trusted, he has maintained contact with many athletes even after he left the Georgetown Track program. Although Nate and Stef (and many more) are involved with posting these emails, photos, and blog posts we have totally lost focus on the puppet master****. *** has had contact with the exact folks that have been posting all of this \"evidence\" since he left Georgetown. **** has a personal vendetta against the Georgetown coaching staff and will do anything and (clearly...) use anyone to try and \"achieve\" what he has been working to achieve since he started coaching Georgetown Sprints. Lambert spent more time conspiring to take down the coaching staff then he did coaching his athletes. There was just a huge need to remind everyone why all of this started in the first place. It\'s easy to convince a young frustrated track athlete who is not performing well that it is the coach\'s fault-- ***capitalized on this with young frustrated athletes. *** would also reach out to athletes that were no longer on the team to ask if they would go into the athletic director and tell the department that they were unfairly let go. He has bee attempting to build a case and is using Georgetown\'s athletes to do so. Many have known that ****** has been doing this and (for some reason) have not spoken up. I hope this results in some sort of investigation on his end.

So dude, we're all curious now. Are you interning at Cato or Heritage?

I am not sure who you are but GU Track is under a lot of heat and you are blaming a coach that is no longer at the program. Have you seen the official GU response that they put out yesterday? Other than the racial issues this track team has some major problems: sexual assault, sexual harrassment, sexual misconduct and hazing to name a few. To me this program is out of control and the head coach is ultimately responsible for all the athletes. Placing blame on a coach that is no longer at the program is childish and immature. The current staff needs to accept responsibility for what has transpired at this university under their watch. I ran at Georgetown many years ago and you do not represent what we believe in. We do not need or respect your commentary Hoya Track Fan; did you even go to Georgetown? Seems like you have an axe to grind with someone.

Stefanie and Nate are the victims and in the end you will see that the University will have to take action to right the wrongs that were forced upon them. In addition from my understanding 4-5 other minority coaches have left under the current coaching staff so to single one out and place blame is ridiculous. My question to you is why are all these minority coachs leaving one of the most prestigous track schools on the east coast to coach elsewhere? You have no idea what you are talking about and are diverting attention from the real issues at hand. Georgetown track has had problems for years and no one stood up and came forward until these two did. You really have no idea what is going on and all the damning evidence that has come forward. Please shut up and watch what happens!

hold up wrote:

Too much opinion. I only want to know facts. And I only want to see unbiased proof of those facts. Only then can I feel your plight. Also, this is the truth if you want to be taken seriously. Your writing is intended for people to feel sorry for you. Your writing should be used to change the system.

Life's unfair for everyone in varying degrees. Do better research before signing on to something binding.

I agree. Surely she could have just asked during the recruiting process, "Is the team culture here racist and/or misogynistic?", and they would have answered honestly Reminds me of all those guys who signed up to play for Penn Sate football knowing full well the coach was trying to touch them in the showers. They got what they signed up for!

SMH there have been numerous minority alums that have already come on these boards and/or written their own blog posts strongly defending the coaches at Georgetown. Is behavior on the men's team out of hand or inappropriate, I can't say yes or no from what evidence (or lack of) has been presented.

What is very clear is that virtually everyone but the two accusers has staunchly defended the coaching staff.

Yes. I'm the most successful Georgetown athlete, but that doesn't mean shit. Good day, sir.

Introducing some 15th century wisdom up in this forum!

You're racist for even posting this. You ignorant MF

outttttta handmann wrote:

SMH there have been numerous minority alums that have already come on these boards and/or written their own blog posts strongly defending the coaches at Georgetown. Is behavior on the men's team out of hand or inappropriate, I can't say yes or no from what evidence (or lack of) has been presented.

What is very clear is that virtually everyone but the two accusers has staunchly defended the coaching staff.

1. Big jump from "numerous minority alums" to "virtually everyone". I am not sure how many posts have been written but I can confidently say that given the number of years Georgetown's track program has existed, virtually everyone has NOT written a post staunchly defending the coaching staff. In fact, I'd say that the majority of alumni/current athletes have been silent. Perhaps their silence has something to do with the vicious attacks and blaming the victim mentality that this forum has demonstrated so well :)

2. "I can't say yes or no from what evidence (or lack of) has been presented." Right.

Allow me to clarify - there have been very few posts from anyone associated with the program that have agreed or sided with the original blogs condemning the program. Only the two original members of the team, who created the blog post have actively been negative about the Georgetown program. There have been numerous alums, current team members and notables a strong blog post from Chelsea cox that have refuted many of the claims of the accusers.

From the blog posts there is very little to indicate any wrong doing particuakry by the coaches. There are copies of numerous emails of a student complaining and offering what she believes are the facts of the situation. No reply from any member of the Georgetown administration indicates any type of admission of wrong doing.

One persons unsubstantiated opinions on a blog do not represent overwhelming evidence condemning a program and its coaches.

This is not to say that there has not been wrongdoing at Georgetown, but to this point all that has been provided is a bunch of opinions and no real evidence.

I have also not been part of any "vicious attacks" nor have I "blamed the victims." I have simply observed that the account of the victims has been refuted by several people and not much clear evidence has been provided which does call into question the validity of all of the claims as presented. If there were strong evidence showing the coaches perpetuated a racist or intolerant culture it would Change things greatly.

Westside wrote:

Look at her PRs from high school 2:10, 4:49 1600, 10:30 3200. In college she has run 2:17 800 and 5:12 Mile! Any coach in the country of any color would be hoping to get rid of her!

How the fvck do you see that progression and not question the coaching?

I feel so very sorry for anyone who tries to coach nowadays. This young woman is the epitome of what is wrong with her generation.

real al lity wrote:

At what point are even liberals going to start rolling their eyes when blacks throw down the race card?

what makes this batschidt crazy is that you seem to believe "liberals" are one person.

every cookie-cutter stereotypical "liberal" view is held by every so-called "liberal," in your culture-war ravaged brain, right?

Based on her blogs, during the spring of her senior year in high school she was putting in approximately 40 miles per week with 8 mile long runs.

Very soon into her first semester at G-Town she was running 60 miles per week with 16 mile long runs. If that was the timeline for that progression, that's bad coaching.

I am glad that these two individuals came forward to air their grievance. Georgetown's own statement validates and confirms half of the issues. At least one of the students (Stef) attempted to address her issues internally but apparently with no success. Her only avenue was to put her grievances into the public domain. What other options did she have? If their allegations are true, I applaud their courage. Georgetown is indeed only interested in protecting their reputation at the expense of their students and athletes. Georgetown has had other similar incidents of misconduct that were only known because they made it to the public domain. Women's basketball for example. No racism there, just abuse causing the coach to resign when it hit the media, but not before. How much more is going on at Georgetown that the administration is trying to hide? Georgetown wants to place itself on par with other elite institutions. Based on personal knowledge, you won't find anything close to this at at least 2 Ivy track programs.

Let's not judge these individuals too soon. Remember, America was founded by people who were labeled as treasonous. We call them patriots now. Let's wait and see.

Stefanie,

You have got to be kidding? I know the players involved and there is no race issue here. You performed poorly and now you want to cry foul. Maybe you got over-trained but the coaching staff isn't all to blame. Yes, it is a business but the people you are talking about are good people and your accusations and finger pointing are sad. It's time for you to grow up and realize you need to take responsibility for yourself. Stretch more, train harder, etc. - whatever you're not doing start doing and if you're doing everything right then accept the fact that your best racing years were in high school. That's not something new. If you feel you have a future in the sport then do what another poster said earlier - drop it and move on. No school will want to work with someone that causes this type of commotion - even if you are justified. Also, what the heck do you think future employer's will do prior to offering you a job? They will Google you. If you were one of my candidates for hire I would choose someone else rather than take the chance on you. Also, consider this - what if this investigation turns up in GTown's favor (which it most likely will)? Your name will surly be smeared.

You think you are helping to fix some problem but all you are doing is making things harder on the entire system. This is the same as "one screw-up ruins it for the rest of us". You are costing the University money and potentially screwing future athletes.

My final comment because I know the players involved: There is no race issue here and throwing down the race card is pathetic. You should be ashamed of yourself. There are idiots out there that still believe people are different based on the color of their skin but it's not with the coaching staff at Georgetown University. To me people who do that intentionally are the ones with a race issue.

Yeah, but the only problem here (which is really my only gripe) is that this isn't an issue about race but she is trying to make it one. I won't even go into the fact that GU has been producing amazing runners under this coaching staff. Maybe it's a coaching thing and maybe it's not. Did she record her workouts somewhere on line to prove this increase or are we just taking her word on it? You may or may not like it but every track program at a D1 school is a business - if you think anything other than that you're just kidding yourself so don't point the finger at GU or ANY school that displays this attitude. A patriot is not one who tries to stir the pot with a race card when it's not there. IN FACT - NOTHING IN HER "STATEMENT" said anything about the coaching staff and race. Didn't they give a full scholarship to an African American in the first place? You can not fault any school (we'll say a distance school) for trying to recruit sprinters in hopes they hit the jackpot and can build that end of the spectrum but in the end GU is a middle distance / distance program and Steph should have known what she was getting into in the first place.