bay area jogger kicks and kills off-leash dog

cbenson4 wrote:

it's still not fun to have one barking and growling at you. people need to keep their dogs on leashes.

Agreed. That's why I said those dogs are worse than just a running dog. People who can't train their dogs to good behavior shouldn't have dogs.

Leashes kind of backfire because people simply rely on the leash instead of training the behavior. You pass someone with a leashed dog and it strains toward you, maybe barks or growls, and the owner just pulls on the leash to hold it back. They stop the dog from acting on its impulses, but they don't train the dog to stop itself, so the dogs remain impulsive.

I'm not particularly fond of dogs, but I like seeing "good dogs" that stick by their owner, or can wait patiently outside a store without barking.

asap rocky wrote:

as a super sleuth could likely put info together and identify the runner, i'll keep this somewhat ambiguous: I had a super talented teammate back in the early 90's from a hardcore border town in texas. we were training in a state much further north and west before school began in the fall. we were on a long run, and were attacked by a german shepherd and a Doberman. both dogs were notorious for forcing runners to stop when we ran by the house on numerous previous occasions. for some reason, this time they attacked. this specific runner was bitten pretty bad. we finished the run, him and another guy bleeding. this specific runner went back and shot both dogs. I kid you not. we were all pretty shocked. this was back in the days before crazy gun violence, etc.

Curious - from the biting, what was the extent of your friends injuries and how did it affect his XC season (or even career running). Judging by him shooting the dogs the injuries sounded serious.

we had neighbors like that too. I got bit once by a golden retriever while fundraising for school. Supposed to be a friendly dog. This was before lawsuits took over. The owners blamed my parents for going on their driveway to fundraise. No apology and even had to get stitches.

Since then, I yell as loudly as possible at any dog that charges. It works. Haven't been bit since and the dogs always back off.

I'm not scared of dogs anymore and I'm extra friendly to the good dog owners while running.

The problem is there are too many dog owners now. It's a fashion thing or something. Some people have no business ownining dogs.

I get fed up with all the loose dogs out there. These dog walkers think, "oh I'm on a trail now, nobody is around, let's take her off leach". Actually surprised someone is running that trail. Clueless.

You think these dog people hate runners? Try mountain biking.

Here's the hierarchy:

1) Horse riders (absolutely think they own the trail, s__t on everyone and don't pick it up. literally...)

2) Hikers (don't want anyone else out there, get s__t on by horse riders )

3) Dog walkers (uptight, get s__t on by everyone above)

4) Runners (laid back, get s__t on by everyone above)

5) Mountain bikers (laid back and get s__t on constantly by everyone above).

As a person who runs on those trails a lot, one thing I should explain to you all is the sheer volume of dogs on those trails. On any given day I go for a run I encounter several professional dog walkers. The legal limit is 6 dogs and they often take up the entire trail, roaming around and shitting all over the place. Most of these dog walkers are fairly responsible and pick up their dogshit but still what they do is put the dogshit in bags a and leave the bags on the side of the trail so usually the trails are not only covered with dogs but lined with little bags full of dogshit. I don't condone kicking dogs but when I saw this thread the first thing that came to mind was the rage this situation can insight because I've been there. It seems like every time I go for a run now I have to dodge several dogs. I've had to jump over dogs, zig zag through packs of dogs and I've been chased by dogs. the dogs are usually friendly but it gets to be really annoying because dogs don't have any sense of courtesy on the trails. they will run right out in front of you.

one time I ran across three different professional dog walkers a the same intersection with so there were like 15 dogs running around and quite a few off leash. but even when they are on leash it's worse because then you have to avoid the leash too. The leashes get tangled up as the dogs run this way and that basically clotheslining the whole trail.

Likely this is the kind of thing our rogue runner had experienced many times before he just snapped and started kicking. I know because I've felt like that myself at times. I think people just need to stop having so many dogs. Most people work all day and have no business having a dog. they neglect their animals or hire these professionals to take care of them, so what we end up having is lots of people whose job it is to manage a ton of dogs that their owners can't take care of but want a nice fluffy animal when it's convenient for them. but I digress...

Bad Wigins wrote:

cbenson4 wrote:

it's still not fun to have one barking and growling at you. people need to keep their dogs on leashes.

Agreed. That's why I said those dogs are worse than just a running dog. People who can't train their dogs to good behavior shouldn't have dogs.

Leashes kind of backfire because people simply rely on the leash instead of training the behavior. You pass someone with a leashed dog and it strains toward you, maybe barks or growls, and the owner just pulls on the leash to hold it back. They stop the dog from acting on its impulses, but they don't train the dog to stop itself, so the dogs remain impulsive.

I'm not particularly fond of dogs, but I like seeing "good dogs" that stick by their owner, or can wait patiently outside a store without barking.

agreed

There's a proper technique in kicking 15 lb dogs in the right spot so they become airborne and won't die, land on their feet and become scared. It's a technique I take pride in.its the scoop-kick with full follow through..

Has everyone forgotten that Solinsky's career was ended by a dog?

Dogs like his are only good for eating.

So you went on another person's property uninvited, then got pissed off about how that person's dogs acted? If you come on my property, I hope you get mauled. I didn't ask you to step onto my land. If you don't want to deal with my dogs, stay off of my property.

I kicked a dog once on a run. A jack russell terrier.

I was running with my own dog, a smaller lab mix. The 2 terriers were in the yard with an invisible fence. When my dog and I ran by the dogs charged and ran fast enough to minimize the shock from going through the invisible fence and then skidded across one lane of the road as the tried to turn around. Then the started attacking my dog trying to bite her neck. Luckily that was hard for them to do as small dogs. But they just wouldn't stop. I screamed at them. Finally I kicked one. It flew a good way but returned and kept attacking. Luckily another lady was walking and helped me shoo the dogs, who were snarling their teeth at us.

another dog bite story wrote:

The problem is there are too many dog owners now. It's a fashion thing or something. Some people have no business ownining dogs.

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Preach. It. Brah!

Sorry for your misfortune.

This is good, people! LRC demonstrating the magic of conscientious citizens pooling their civic instincts. +1

Btw anyone remember the thread/s / talks this summer about the escaped dogs that killed a runner in rural Michigan (if I recall).

Would anyone give two shits if this man had kicked an inbred mutant-looking rat owned by the local laboratory that had somehow gotten out of its cage?

So why all the love for dogs?

We've gotten soft. Real soft.

Great job by that jogger! I'll never say anything bad about hobby joggers again.

Some mutt used to harass me on my runs from time to time. He'd come at me, go for my legs, lots of barking, etc. This happened weekly. One day I had had enough. It was summer, and I had taken my shirt off and was carrying it in my hand. As the mutt charged me, I got down low, and held the shirt out between both hands. The mutt latched on, as I suspected he would. I then wrapped the shirt around his neck, and lifted up sharply, snapping his neck and forever ending that problem.

I left the body right where it fell, in my next door neighbor's front yard.

So you went on another person's property uninvited, then got pissed off about how that person's dogs acted? If you come on my property, I hope you get mauled. I didn't ask you to step onto my land. If you don't want to deal with my dogs, stay off of my property.

Presumably you have clearly posted "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs on your property. Most people haven't. And they clear their front paths and have working doorbells because we expect guests - both invited and uninvited - to come to our homes. We get mail delivery, FedEx, UPS, building inspectors, contractors, etc. I hope there's never a fire, or need for police, on your property. It must be very lonely for you.

U. R. Sadsack wrote:

So you went on another person's property uninvited, then got pissed off about how that person's dogs acted? If you come on my property, I hope you get mauled. I didn't ask you to step onto my land. If you don't want to deal with my dogs, stay off of my property.

Presumably you have clearly posted "No Trespassing" and "No Soliciting" signs on your property. Most people haven't. And they clear their front paths and have working doorbells because we expect guests - both invited and uninvited - to come to our homes. We get mail delivery, FedEx, UPS, building inspectors, contractors, etc. I hope there's never a fire, or need for police, on your property. It must be very lonely for you.

I'm not lonely. My sister comes in every Friday for our weekly fun. And the dog doesn't bark at her.

So you went on another person's property uninvited, then got pissed off about how that person's dogs acted? If you come on my property, I hope you get mauled. I didn't ask you to step onto my land. If you don't want to deal with my dogs, stay off of my property.

This wasn't posted. If it was we wouldn't have gone there.

It was a friendly community subdivision!

And sorry to fundraise 30 flipping years ago!

We all know your type. Do you shake your stick at neighbours with bikes that ride by? And sit on your porch making sure no one dares step foot on your precious lawn?

PTO wrote:

Any dog comes at me while running I will defend myself any way possible even bashing it with rock.

Homey don't play that game.

No doubt. We had a lab growing up, always leashed it. Wasn't a difficult thing to do, and it was mostly for the protection of the dog against itself from doing something stupid. I don't understand how people on here are turning against the runner. Teeth on any animal are not to be taken lightly.

Getting practical: Carry a sturdy whip antenna with some sort of grip tape. Use it only when you need it.

I'm an experienced trail runner and racer living in Boston. I'm a friendly person. I like people and dogs. Run a fair number of trail miles between 6-8 min/mile pace. Thousands of encounters with aggressive and/or surprised dogs. Regularly harassed by off-leash dogs and their very frustrating owners. Was bitten as a kid multiple times growing up in mixed rural/residential area. Chased/snipped at hundreds of times over 30 years of training.

My research: The dog/dog-owner/runner interaction is a perfect storm. Runners, particularly fast ones, scare/excite dogs and their owners. Owners are 95+% without empathy for runners. Talking does not help. Jerky dog-walkers are the worst. Kicking is a terrible idea - dangerous to you and the dog. I extend the antenna about 2/3 times a week. Need to swing it with a purpose once a month. Glad I have it all the time.

I would have kicked it dead also PUT YOUR FINGING DOGS ON A LEASH im not gonna get injured by a dog bite cause of a lazy f___k owner cant put the leash on...