Neely Spence Gracey quits Hansons ODP!!

So, what great gig did Scooter get in Boulder?

wrongagain wrote:

No I in team, but there is me wrote:

Desi runs the marathon. The marathon is not a team sport.

Unless someone has an inside track to the Hanson's they likely have no idea what the tweet was in reference to. Maybe Keith or Kevin had just come back from watching McFarland and was referencing Cross Country. It is simple guess work whether this tweet was aimed at Spence.

haha are you serious?

The whole team is marathoners or potential marathoners.

Is the 10k on the track a team sport at the professional level?

It's fine that Desi does her own thing, but don't create the false idea that it's about team.

Well, its kind of a team sport if you make the national team because then its a contest to see what country can get the most medals and most golds

wrongagain wrote:

No I in team, but there is me wrote:

Desi runs the marathon. The marathon is not a team sport.

Unless someone has an inside track to the Hanson's they likely have no idea what the tweet was in reference to. Maybe Keith or Kevin had just come back from watching McFarland and was referencing Cross Country. It is simple guess work whether this tweet was aimed at Spence.

haha are you serious?

The whole team is marathoners or potential marathoners.

Is the 10k on the track a team sport at the professional level?

It's fine that Desi does her own thing, but don't create the false idea that it's about team.

There CAN be more to team than everyone on the road or the track at the same time competing AS A TEAM. I would fully expect that runners of different level are doing different levels of training and having different race goals. That is the nature of road racing. If that involves training in Africa so be it. Desi, through her individual high level of training, represents the Hansons like no other Hanson runner does. Kinda like Brian Sell did. His races put the entire Hansons team on the map.

Representing the sponsors and team kits is probably a big deal to a team like Hansons. (and all teams really)

Again, You have no idea what the tweet was in reference to. Pretending that you do doesn't make you look any smarter than anyone else.

@hansonsrun answered your question and Neely favorited his answer. I don't think there is any drama here.

Kevin has monitored these boards for years. Of course on a public tweet he'll support a former athlete. There is always drama at Hansons.

Taking shots from afar wrote:

@hansonsrun answered your question and Neely favorited his answer. I don't think there is any drama here.

While it is a team, Desi is so far ahead of the other women on the Hanson's team, she pretty much trains by herself whether she is in MI or training in Africa. Her marathon PR (not her Boston, rather her other 2:25-2:26 runs) put her 5+ minutes ahead of the next fastest woman on the team. Her half marathon and 10k times are well ahead to. Watch some of the team workout videos on Youtube. Other than easy runs, Desi is way ahead of all the other women. While it may not always fit the team concept, if you have a star performer sometimes it is good to let them to their own thing if it produces results and doesn't cause problems. If Desi wanted to leave Hanson's, with her resume, she could easily do so. The coaching and training relationship she has with them is working for her. Sure there are ups and downs (like the 2012 Olympics) but for the most part, she has greatly improved under their tutelage. Maybe should could improve more elsewhere, maybe not.

Neely hadn't been with the team long enough to earn the right for any exceptions, etc. (assuming they would be willing to accomodate them) Was she crushing her training partners? Since she is a 5k-10k specialist, and most of the women are marathoners, was she mainly running alone? If she was alone all the time, I could see why she would want to go to CO to train and get out of the MI winters. At the same time, if you are alone all the time, what is the point of being on a team if you are training solo all the time? It just didn't workout for her and the Hansons. Why is there a need to fingerpoint?

Trust me, desi staying ain't about Kevin and Keith's sterling personalities and cutting edge coaching methods, it's about the brooks bonuses.

Then why doesn't she negotiate her own deal with Brooks and leave?

So are we any closer to knowing the answer to the original post? Her sponsor, current training group etc? A bunch of bickering and 5 pages of pointless posts later...

kaat wrote:

So are we any closer to knowing the answer to the original post? Her sponsor, current training group etc? A bunch of bickering and 5 pages of pointless posts later...

This is letsrun, do you expect anything more?

Wasn't she in Boulder to get acclimated to altitude in preparation for USA XC? The other Hansons-Brooks ladies were not preparing for racing at altitude.

I do wish the athlete would at least acknowledge the situation. It's okay to be uncertain about the future!

what kind of name is scooter? wrote:

So, what great gig did Scooter get in Boulder?

What ever it was he probably lied his way into it.

Obviously Kevin will publicly state that he isn't tweeting about anyone in particular. From a business standpoint, he would be foolish to vent on Twitter about Neely leaving. It's going to be genial. However, he commonly does tweet things as a result of something that upsets him on the team. There will be some sort of dramatic event on the team, and within the next few days, Kevin specifically tweets about that subject. Technically, not about them, but about the issue that pissed him off.

Consider his occasional tweets about not adjusting your training for bad weather. There are countless times when these tweets were specifically spurred by someone on the team attempting to slightly alter their training due to snow or whatever. He's zero tolerance with that stuff. So for him to tweet that his "tweets are never pointed at one person," I guess it's technically true, in the sense that he doesn't literally include their name.

during the same time frame? nonsense.

knower of things wrote:

jjjjjjj wrote:

Name one other program with as many marathon OT qualifiers...

Bill Squires and the Boston Track Club, Club Northwest, Brad Hudson, Impalas in the Bay Area...

Barrister wrote:

Then why doesn't she negotiate her own deal with Brooks and leave?

Because it's a mutually beneficial situation. From a marketing standpoint, it works well for her, Brooks, and Kevin/Keith. With her success, she has free reign at this point. They certainly don't want her to leave. So she can go to Kenya or whatever, and she selects all her races. She also has a say in her day to day training, which is historically unlike most Hansons athletes.

Bobby Curtis has a similar thing. I think he's been training in Europe recently.

here's a link to the 2016 men's qualifiers:

http://www.marathonguide.com/news/exclusives/2016USAOlympicTeamTrialsMarathon/QualifierLists/CreateReports.cfm?Order=SummaryByName&Sex=M

impress me. identify how many runners come from the top teams.

its funny that Kevin's original twitter account was suspended a couple of weeks ago (@hansonrun). Now a new one is active with a slightly different name.

Why should someone take the time to impress "you"?

jjjjjjj wrote:

here's a link to the 2016 men's qualifiers:

http://www.marathonguide.com/news/exclusives/2016USAOlympicTeamTrialsMarathon/QualifierLists/CreateReports.cfm?Order=SummaryByName&Sex=M

impress me. identify how many runners come from the top teams.

What a bunch of loser dopes on this thread. I hate to think that there are grown ass adults sitting around making crap up and trying to start a rumor about a PROFESSIONAL RUNNING TEAM and a PROFESSIONAL RUNNER.

Sorry bunch of slack jawed joggers.

And NO, I'm not new here. Some threads just move the boards to a lower level than I expect