Phillip Seymour Hoffmann found dead

And come to think of it, I haven't heard anything about "goaty moaty" donating to the American Red Cross or volunteering at the humane society or giving free coaching clinics to underprivileged youth runners, and I even Googled "goaty moaty charitable giving" (both with and without the quotes) so I think I would know by now. Not only that, from what I've read, I am unconvinced that "goaty moaty" hasn't had sex with the corpse of Jimmy Hoffa in various states of putrefaction, told racist jokes while posing as a Mormon missionary, and repeatedly urinated in the homes of female hosts without remembering to put the seat back down.

I too am surprised at the "why praise this screw-up" posts. The gratuitous venom and scorn around here is par for the course, but there appear to be those who genuinely cannot separate this this was a man with a brilliant career that he cultivated to the utmost *and* an ugly, life-threatening and ultimately lethal problem. No one is rushing to write a hagiography about PSH as pertains to opiate addiction.

brilliant career [/quote]

he was taking cancer drugs he didn't cure cancer

hollywood trash movies

i rather take a nap then watch the best picture winner

boy you drank the kool-aid

how young do you have to be to believe that a movie actor is brilliant ?

Einstein lost his noble money investing i.e., everyone is a moron

Phillip Seymour Hoffmann brilliant !

i wish I live in fairytale world

Based on this post, you missed my entire point -- that it is weird that multiple people have been posting on here how involved he was with community (given that the only evidence of this is people saying they saw him on the sidewalk, I think it's fairly clear by now that he had next to no involvement with the community) and how much he cared about his family (that is very dubious given the fact that, despite having 3 kids, repeatedly engaged in dangerous activities that ultimately took his life and left them fatherless).

Nobody disputes that he was a fantastic actor and I fully recognize that he was a very troubled individual with horrible addictions but it's ridiculous that people who don't know anything about him have been trying to portray him as this good guy actively involved with the community and charities. There isn't a scintilla of evidence that he did anything for the community or was involved with a single charity. That simply is shocking and I think you would be hard-pressed to find someone as successful, famous and wealthy as he who is so lacking in these areas. How hard is it to lend your name to a charity and attend its annual banquet or visit a single sick kid in the hospital? When Justin Bieber massively dwarfs you in this area, you know it's bad.

I also don't want to hear about how he wasn't that wealthy as he was worth tens of millions of dollars. His complete lack of any involvement in society and the community disgusts me almost as much as his addictions.

being dead doesn't change the possibility that Phillip Seymour Hoffmann would be on Let's Run

How do you know he didn't work for charities? Most people don't choose to flaunt that work.

Here is a link to a page

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/philip-seymour-hoffman

that says he did work for or contribute to at least 4 organizations - Actors Fund of America, Feeding America, Red Cross, and Unite for Japan.

I live in NYC and work in the theater. I didn't know PSH, but many of my friends knew him and worked with him. Over the past couple of decades he has done as much as anyone in the arts to support, encourage and fund the development of young, aspiring artists. This isn't charity - and it's not Bieber-esque - but it is vital and generous.

Oh, I'm not appointed, and nor am I an expert. That's neither here nor there.

no. Clearly you're not interested in helping addicts. That's fine. I was replying to your comment that

On the contrary .. accepting addicts, warts and all, is important to helping them deal with their problems in some way. Rejecting them, on the other hand, further harms them (most of the time). I know some great people who suffer from addiction .... accepting them doesn't harm me or my family or my community.

I said that "[h]e was, by every account that I can recall . . . concerned about his community." You responded that this was a "platitude," and that "[e]verything that [you] have read is that he was . . . almost a recluse," simultaneously revealing deficiencies in reading comprehension, ignorance about the meaning of the word "platitude," and an apparent lack of any significant knowledge about the life of Philip Seymour Hoffman. Now you're asking me to research his charitable contributions and compare them with the charitable works of Ed Norton (including, apparently, his strong support of Eliot Spitzer and his participation in a celebrity soccer match) as set out in his Wikipedia entry.

Sorry. If you're really looking for in-depth information about the personal life of Philip Seymour Hoffman, you're just going to have to broaden your own reading and research skills. I doubt that you're really very interested in the subject, however. As of yesterday, "[e]verything [you] have read" about PSH apparently consisted of approximately nothing, and you were very comfortable judging his character and assessing his life on that basis.

[quote]Morph the Cat wrote:

Addiction is a horrible, horrible thing. I'd call it a disease but too many geniuses on this board who never personally knew anybody suffering from addiction would re-hijack this thread claiming that addiction is not a disease, but a lack of self control, etc. When in fact, a symptom of the disease is the inability to control the self.'

So will power has no influnce on it! its also a selfish act

You can't be addicted to something if you don't try it. I could always take or leave things, gambling drugs anything. However, I've always had a vivid imagination so steered clear of LSD etc as I know it can top people over the edge. If you can't hack it don't try it

Everyone has a weakness, i would rather stay in the house than go to work every single day. I never get bored I can do naff all every day. But that aint gonna pay the bills. It's a hard life if you don't weaken

Did you miss the parts about him supporting the local arts and helping to create a theater?

Michael C wrote:

How do you know he didn't work for charities? Most people don't choose to flaunt that work.

Here is a link to a page

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/philip-seymour-hoffman

that says he did work for or contribute to at least 4 organizations - Actors Fund of America, Feeding America, Red Cross, and Unite for Japan.

I live in NYC and work in the theater. I didn't know PSH, but many of my friends knew him and worked with him. Over the past couple of decades he has done as much as anyone in the arts to support, encourage and fund the development of young, aspiring artists. This isn't charity - and it's not Bieber-esque - but it is vital and generous.

I'm sure there's a one in a billion chance that he was secretly doing all sorts of philanthropic work that nobody knows about but I very highly doubt it. The site you linked doesn't tell us anything and certainly doesn't show that he "did work for or contribute to at least 4 organizations." It simply says that he "supported" four organizations with no explanation. Given that there's no record of him lifting a finger or giving a cent to them I think it's much more likely that his "support" was nothing more than him saying that he supports them.

Your claim that he "has done as much as anyone in the arts to support, encourage and fund the development of young, aspiring artists" simply is preposterous and you lose all credibility claiming that. So there's nobody on this planet (like, say, all of the people who work full-time in supporting aspiring artists or who give enormous sums of money supporting them) who does more than what PSH did secretly? Right.

I don't understand why people feel the need to completely fabricate his background. What's so hard about saying that you very much enjoy his movies, empathize with his addictions and hope that his kids are okay? You laugh at Justin Bieber but he has done a lot more with charities than PSH ever did (and he did it with real money).

[/quote]Did you miss the parts about him supporting the local arts and helping to create a theater?[/quote]

You must be referring to the Labyrinth Theater. Funny how it was formed in 1992 and he joined it in 1995. It's kind of hard to "help create" something that was created 3 years before you show up. Nice try though.

Goddamn, nearly 50 bags of heroine found and 20 syringes. I thought he was supposed to be a recovering addict. Seems to be in full flight with his addiction.

goaty moaty wrote:

Based on this post, you missed my entire point ... it's ridiculous that people who don't know anything about him have been trying to portray him as this good guy actively involved with the community and charities.

One last try, although Avocado's Number has already emphasized this: Perhaps some people *do* know more about him and his works than you do. If you need links spoon-fed to you by others in order to learn anything new about the world, congratulations, you're like 94.22 percent of people born after about 1990 who haunt this board.

"His complete lack of any involvement in society and the community disgusts me."

I do not see a scintilla of evidence that he wasn't involved in society. In fact, evidence abounds that he gave all of his money to charity and was working on a cure for HIV when he passed owing to a freak accident in which he tripped and fell on onto a loaded needle attached to a syringe full of "heroine."

wtfunny wrote:

[quote]

On the contrary .. accepting addicts, warts and all, is important to helping them deal with their problems in some way. Rejecting them, on the other hand, further harms them (most of the time). I know some great people who suffer from addiction .... accepting them doesn't harm me or my family or my community.

Hmmmm,something tells me his girlfriend tried everything over the years.......probably a lot of the bilge you are spewing, and even she had enough.

so by using your demented logic, the fact that he OD'd with a syringe in his arm with another 50+ bags of heroin around, is her fault?

Oh, that's right, YOU just have to accept them.....which is pretty easy to do and easy to judge other peoples opinions when you don't have to deal with it all the time.

recovering my azz wrote:

Goddamn, nearly 50 bags of heroine found and 20 syringes. I thought he was supposed to be a recovering addict. Seems to be in full flight with his addiction.

He died of an overdose, you buffoon. We know he's not recovering anymore.

That's not at all what I said.

It takes far more than merely accepting someone. But your link shows clearly that rejecting them doesn't work either.

I'm not in any way "judging" anything his girlfriend did or said.

But I'd be really surprised if any of the people who've commented in this thread, who I AM replying to, ever had to deal with PSH's drug problems.

As I said initially, addiction is an illness, and like all illnesses, it requires treatment. Scorn isn't a part of any treatment I know of.