Washington State Meet

Fayetteville-Manlius : isn't that the 71st ranked team?

Hank Moody wrote:

Maybe I'm not reading this right.

Are you saying that Gig beat MEAD's team time at State? I highly doubt this since in 93' it was a 3 mile.

Methinks they're referencing a 3 Mile to 5k conversion for that comparison.

Although... makes you wonder: could Matt have 14:09.3 for 5k on today's course?? hmmmmmmm ;)

What I find sad is that Gig got two great transfers, and Kamiakin lost two.

Ahmed Ibrahim and a standout freshman who was beating Kamiakin's #4 runner all last year Devin Despain.

Funny how things can change in one year.

That IS sad. Kamiakin is a great overall program. I would say their girls track performance at state last year was the best in history, boys or girls. We here have enormous respect for Kamiakin.

I really hope not. If someone is trying to make a comparison based off a 3m to 5k conversion with regards to two different xc courses....my lord...I'm not sure what I would say.

Hank Moody wrote:

I really hope not. If someone is trying to make a comparison based off a 3m to 5k conversion with regards to two different xc courses....my lord...I'm not sure what I would say.

Not trying to be aggressive with this, but I'm curious: You're willing to enter a conversation about the "best team ever" (with plenty of courses/times/conversions to mix in), but you shudder comparing races run on the same golf course with different routing and a standard length difference?

A gem from 20 years ago:

watchout wrote:

I don't think it will be close at all. I would bet money that GH puts 25-30 pts between NC.

For whatever it's worth, given the field (though I don't know exactly who is making up each team), I have the scores projected as follows:

1. Gig Harbor 62

2. North Central 82

3. Central Catholic 162

4. Kamiakin 166

5. Nathan Hale 207

6. Bozeman 246

But when you consider North Central's history in the NXN series and their experience at Eagle Island (running there twice a year, every year, for the past seven years), and not quite the opposite for Gig Harbor (they made it out of the region in 2011, but didn't have a good race at nationals that year, and didn't have a good race at NXN-NW in 2012, though they did run well at Bob Firman earlier this year) - North Central's top 5 averaging more than 5 races at Eagle Island to date, compared to less than 3 for Gig Harbor, a total of 26 races for their top five and 29 for their top six compared to Gig Harbor's 14 and 17 ... you have to think they have a pretty good chance at making the race closer than you'd think.

I'd say it's more likely the scores are within 10 points, than the difference being greater than 30 points, though either is possible.[/quote]

I've seen and know of several of GHs workouts. They have four that could very well go sub 9:05 for 2 in OT. That's just filthy, just absolutely fvckin filthy.

I've seen and know of several of GHs workouts. They have four that could very well go sub 9:05 for 2 in OT. That's just filthy, just absolutely fvckin filthy.[/quote]

Would not surprise me at all - Moussa is the only one I wouldn't be sure of for track times, but the rest of the top 3 I think could challenge or go under 9 this spring. They are pretty good.

Of course, NC has 2 guys that have already run 9:01 or better, the one that hasn't broke 9 has improved quite a bit and was the state champion over a 8:51 guy. Gig Harbor has an edge at #3/4 though, to be sure. Lots of talent on both squads; a great time for WAXC!

[quote]MS Coach wrote:

I have noticed that my boys tend to go to NC while my girls go to Shadle (This is true at another nearby middle school too). There are some exceptions, but in general this is true.

I have coached more than half of the NC runners. I've known most of the NC (and Shadle) runners since Fa 2008. Since I have been coaching at the middle school (Sp 2009) I have only known one student that chose NC over the school in whose boundary they live in. quote]

Well I will take what you said in your 2nd paragraph and believe you (but I will also put it in the mix with what I have heard from others around Spokane), but what you said in your first paragraph, why do you feel most of your boy runners go to the better NC team and not the not as good Shadle? Same for your girls, why the better Shadle girls over the not as good NC girls? Just coincidence or something else?

Great picture!

Perfectly okay with comparing same courses. Not okay with a time comparison based off "state meet history".

Man, that diction is kind of confusing. Let me try to be more clear.

Let's take Oregon for example. I'm okay with comparing this central catholic team to any oregon team based off state (assuming the weather was similar). This seems fair to gather whether a team is relatively close.

If every year the Oregon state meet was not at lane, I would most certainly not try to justify a team being the greatest of all time - based off times and distances from a completely different course.

Essentially I'm trying to say that any talk of an "all-time state time record" is ludicrous unless your state meet is kept at the same place every year. But that's just my opinion, not saying I'm right.

What watchout did, by comparing them to specific course that previous years NTN champs have run is much more appropriate, in fact, it's about the only fair way we can have these kinds of conversations.

PS. Great run for them day, especially with Beck apparently having an off day.

For what it's worth, they very well could be referencing this post I made on Dyestat:

http://www.runnerspace.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=862064&view=findpost&p=908560

Notes:

-This only includes the years at Sun Willows (1988+)

-While years where they ran 3 mile and 5.2k are included in the list, they are NOT ranked. They are treated as "second class" times because they are, obviously, estimates. They are included to give general perspective, and nothing more.

-Gig Harbor and North Central came out as the #1 and #2 team times, both for actual 5k during the 5k years (1998-2004, 2008+) and in the generalized comparison that gave a rough example of where teams from the other years would have, again roughly, been.

WARunningHistorian wrote:

Well I will take what you said in your 2nd paragraph and believe you (but I will also put it in the mix with what I have heard from others around Spokane), but what you said in your first paragraph, why do you feel most of your boy runners go to the better NC team and not the not as good Shadle? Same for your girls, why the better Shadle girls over the not as good NC girls? Just coincidence or something else?

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To answer your questions, I think that the coaches that get the athletes tend to connect with the them at an earlier age. They find out who is in their boundaries and make phone calls as soon as possible. They come out and meet the 7th graders. They cheer them on at meets. From my perspective, these coaches build a relationship earlier than the other coaches.

There are a lot of sports fighting for athletes. The earlier you can connect with them, the more likely they will be a part of the high school.