Is an inhaler a performance enhancer to someone who doesn't have asthma?

Maybe you could paraphrase what your textbook says about B2A's because we are all curious about the effects and none of us have the book. Thanks.

Educate Us wrote:

Maybe you could paraphrase what your textbook says about B2A's because we are all curious about the effects and none of us have the book. Thanks.

Textbooks are copyrighted. Do not encourage others to violate the copyright.

Buy the book yourself.

Read it.

Form your opinions.

If you went to college, you'd realize it always works this way.

I'm just saying... wrote:

yes wrote:Regardless of what the research says, if a drug works...IT WORKS. Athletes and coaches don't wait for research to show them what they know is right it true.

Athletes also wear those Phiten necklaces (I've seen Kara Goucher with one), Powerbalance bracelets and other pseudoscience stuff that they think works but, at best, are placebos, so what athletes and coaches think "works" doesn't actually carry much weight.

Exactly. This guy ^ nailed it.

Educate Ewe wrote:

Educate Us wrote:

Maybe you could paraphrase what your textbook says about B2A's because we are all curious about the effects and none of us have the book. Thanks.

Textbooks are copyrighted. Do not encourage others to violate the copyright.

Buy the book yourself.

Read it.

Form your opinions.

If you went to college, you'd realize it always works this way.

^ Lost in idealism.

College made me reeeal smart wrote:

^ Lost in...

Didn't go to college? Couldn't afford the books? Friends wouldn't do your homework for you? Professor expected you to do some actual work?

I know your type, being: "Do it for me. It's too hard."

Baseless assumptions and ad hominem arguments are the true sign of the educated.What I was referring to was your attack on the individual who was requesting a paraphrase, not your amazing invitation into the world of reading. Watch your tone. It betrays your intellect. I too am interested in what his text says regarding inhalants. We are safe from the plagiarism hounds, so please, anyone with information on albuterol, singular, or any other med, post away and don't be intimidated by this intellectual here.

Educate Ewe wrote:

College made me reeeal smart wrote:

^ Lost in...

Didn't go to college? Couldn't afford the books? Friends wouldn't do your homework for you? Professor expected you to do some actual work?

I know your type, being: "Do it for me. It's too hard."

yes wrote:

I see your point about advantages being equal but what about the side effects? Some of us coaches don't want our athletes inhaling just to keep things equal.

I was trying with limited success to find out about Albuterol a year ago. Athlete in question had no asthma symptoms and used an inhaler occasionally and only before races. In one big race, athlete became severely dehydrated, had racing heart beat, barely finished the race standing up and was still disoriented 30 - 45 minutes later. I wondered whether the Albuterol was at cause but doctors said no. Condition has never happened before or since. Thoughts?

Not sure how something that has been studied for decades and concluded by every legit study that it is not PED has managed to get so much discussion. USADA and WADA don't spent a lot of time looking at drugs to exclude, they are in the business of looking for drugs to add the list and inhalers haven't been added.

Towards the end of my coaching career, I would see several kids start the season with inhalers, but half the kids would leave their inhaler at home or forget to take it, run a PR and then think the inhaler was slower them down. By the end of season, I would see one or two kids still using an inhaler, I suspect those are the ones who really needed it. In talking to swim coaches, they pretty much say the same thing. Btw, I would have absolutely no problem saying it was PED if I thought was.

Educate Ewe wrote:

College made me reeeal smart wrote:

^ Lost in...

Didn't go to college? Couldn't afford the books? Friends wouldn't do your homework for you? Professor expected you to do some actual work?

I know your type, being: "Do it for me. It's too hard."

Yeah, you are being really obnoxious. No one cares what you have to say.

Why are people arguing about it. The answers has been and continues to be no since the start of this thread. If anyone thinks otherwise than post evidence. It doesn't have to be a peer reviewed scientific document, just any evidence at all. All the supporters of albuterol need to stop saying "We can't tell you, buy the books yourself and read WAHHHHH CRYYYY CRYYY"

This is a forum. We are here to discuss ideas. Share those ideas. If you are not going to share and constructively contribute to the discussion, then just don't post.

If there is any evidence at all, post it to settle this dispute.

Educate Us wrote:

Maybe you could paraphrase what your textbook says about B2A's because we are all curious about the effects and none of us have the book. Thanks.

I'll go through my books and computer documents and see what I can put together to post here. Huge task though so don't expect to see anything tomorrow.

Would any of you be willing to provide some evidence? Many people here have said inhalers don't do jack for performance because of what they read but without any real life experience using them. How about trying out a magic puffer yourself and see if you find any performance and side effects.

Besides evidence whether they work or not, any more thoughts on the side effects the doctor listed?

'If there is any evidence at all, post it to settle this dispute.'

http://jap.physiology.org/content/89/2/430.full

https://www.thieme-connect.de/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2004-815716

Another study says they do not help, note they are not testing all the asthma drugs out there

http://www.runnerslife.co.uk/support-team/medical/asthma-inhalers

One thing is for sure athletes think they are helping!

'If there is any evidence at all, post it to settle this dispute.'

http://jap.physiology.org/content/89/2/430.full

https://www.thieme-connect.de/DOI/DOI?10.1055/s-2004-815716

Another study says they do not help, note they are not testing all the asthma drugs out there

http://www.runnerslife.co.uk/support-team/medical/asthma-inhalers

One thing is for sure athletes think they are helping!

ukathleticscoach wrote:

'If there is any evidence at all, post it to settle this dispute.'

One thing is for sure athletes think they are helping!

ukathleticscoach:

Do you have real life experience with athletes using inhalers to share here?

Real life experience isn't necessarily useful with these kinds of things because of the placebo effect. One example is HGH, which athletes claimed improved their vision (it probably doesn't).

College made you reel dumb."Attacking" and individual who "demanded" someone else provide them with information.You're wrong. No attack was made. Learn to use ad hominem when it is appropriate.Watch your tone. It betrays your intellect, reeeal.

College made me reeeal smart wrote:

Baseless assumptions and ad hominem arguments are the true sign of the educated.

What I was referring to was your attack on the individual who was requesting a paraphrase, not your amazing invitation into the world of reading.

Watch your tone. It betrays your intellect.

I too am interested in what his text says regarding inhalants.

We are safe from the plagiarism hounds, so please, anyone with information on albuterol, singular, or any other med, post away and don't be intimidated by this intellectual here.

Educate Ewe wrote:

Didn't go to college? Couldn't afford the books? Friends wouldn't do your homework for you? Professor expected you to do some actual work?

I know your type, being: "Do it for me. It's too hard."

My favorite study concluded that more athletes use inhalers because of lung damage suffered while training hard. I call that the "Salazar" excuse.

Meanwhile, studying the performance enhancing effects of inhalers is like studying andro and claiming it didn't help Mark McGuire. Duh.

Inhalers, while they do have legit uses for athletes with exercise induced asthma in cold climates, are nothing more than a cover for albuteral abuse-- something bodybuilders have done for years.