BREAKING NEWS FELIX TIES FOR 3RD IN REVISED RESULTS??

Speaker wrote:

Would be interesting if this happened in the Olympics - what would the result be? Two gold medals? There is actually a very high chance of this happening in the triathlon...

It already happened in THE 2008 Beijing Olympics. Sherone Simpson and Kerron Stewart tied for second in the 100M finals in 10.98 seconds, which was won by Shelly Ann Fraser and both second place finishers were awarded a silver medal.

There have been ties in Olympic history. I believe if two people tie for first, the third finisher earns bronze, with no silver awarded. A tie for second results in one gold for first, two silvers for the tied athletes, and bronze may or may not be awarded - cannot remember. A tie for third is one gold, one silver and two bronze medals. I think that's how it works. Anyone else know for sure?

Speaker wrote:

Would be interesting if this happened in the Olympics - what would the result be? Two gold medals? There is actually a very high chance of this happening in the triathlon...

The Olympics is easy because they just award more medals. I doubt the IOC is gonna say that we could send 4 in the 100.

A run-off is needed.

A spot on the team is something that should primarily be EARNED, not GRANTED.

If there remains a possibility of someone earning it, that possibility should be provided.

If it is impossible for some reason, then I think that administrative discretion should be used, and someone should decide based on factors that are made public, with the primary goal of sending the best team possible. Season history, injury status, progression, etc.

If it remains impossible to decide, then an equitable consideration should be made of the relative position of the two individual athletes.

If that remains impossible, then neither of them should go, and the 4th-place finisher should go in the individual 100m. They will all be there in the relay, anyway.

A drawing of lots is ridiculous, childish, and insulting to my intelligence--and totally unnecessary.

It still amazes me that USATF did not have a procedure for this. Our high school hosts district meets and we have a procedure for a tie with the last place qualifier (I'm sure most do) (run-off).

In the past wrote:

There have been ties in Olympic history. I believe if two people tie for first, the third finisher earns bronze, with no silver awarded. A tie for second results in one gold for first, two silvers for the tied athletes, and bronze may or may not be awarded - cannot remember. A tie for third is one gold, one silver and two bronze medals.

I think that's how it works. Anyone else know for sure?

Speaker wrote:

Would be interesting if this happened in the Olympics - what would the result be? Two gold medals? There is actually a very high chance of this happening in the triathlon...

Anthony Ervin and Gary Hall, Jr tied for first in the 50 Free in Sydney. Of course, both earned gold medals.

"There is actually a very high chance of this happening in the triathlon..."

Why do you feel there is a very high chance of this happening in the tri? Men's or women's? You talking about for the win or, like this, a place? Talk to me Goose.

Felix should just give up her spot. She's really a 200-meter runner with the versatility to go up or down.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

If it remains impossible to decide, then an equitable consideration should be made of the relative position of the two individual athletes.

If that remains impossible, then neither of them should go, and the 4th-place finisher should go in the individual 100m.

What fourth place finisher?

Sagarin wrote:

Felix should just give up her spot. She's really a 200-meter runner with the versatility to go up or down.

She probably gets bonus money in her shoe contract for each event where she makes the team. If she bows out of the 100 that only leaves the 200.

I understand this is an important thing to talk about, but can the mods do anything about the OP's handle? I understand that issues of beauty may be behind this, but referring to Tarmoh (and by extension other women sprinters) as "shebeast" seems a bit much to me.

You're probably right, but there's the relays too. Also, a run-off would just take more out of her. Frankly, looking at the reaction times, I would just give it to Felix, since she got out much slower, meaning she ran slightly faster over the course of the race.

They could also run very detailed drug tests for the first 4 finishers. Problem would most likely be solved. I'm pretty sure that Felix would remain on the team, not sure about 2 of the other ones...

Speaking of which, does anyone really think FloJo should still hold the world record?

I'd wait a few days for the mess to sort out. One big factor is if Felix makes it to the Olympics in the 200M (very likely) but strange things happen. If she does I wouldn't be suprised if she lets Tarmoh go in the 100M. If they are going to have a run off they should do a few days after she is done qualifying for the 200 so she is well rested.

The one who finishes next after the tie for third place.

If there is absolutely no way to decide, and the athletes themselves cannot decide, then the default should be that neither go. A coin toss won't resolve anything in the long run, it will just create lasting pain and controversy.

In this case, it would be Knight who would go. She's a good performer.

But I want to emphasize that there is essentially NO WAY it would ever come to that, especially if people knew that's what the ultimate decision would be, they would find a way to resolve the issue.

just supposing wrote:

I'd wait a few days for the mess to sort out. One big factor is if Felix makes it to the Olympics in the 200M (very likely) but strange things happen. If she does I wouldn't be suprised if she lets Tarmoh go in the 100M. If they are going to have a run off they should do a few days after she is done qualifying for the 200 so she is well rested.

Agree.

put them in the same heat in the 200 trials, and whoever's ahead after 100 meters gets the nod

I'm starting to believe you are actually as stupid as your writing makes you look. I always thought you were a first class troll but I now believe you're just a moron.After a third place tie comes the fifth place finisher. There is no fourth place.Now that we have that out of the way, how on Earth is awarding an Olympic spot to someone who in no way shape or form equitable. Drawing lots is a hell of a lot more fair than not letting either of the qualified girls go. I really believe there should be forced signatures on letsrun and under yours there should forever be the asinine statement that because USATF screwed up by not anticipating a tie, neither of the athletes who tied for the position should go.

Sprintgeezer wrote:

The one who finishes next after the tie for third place.

If there is absolutely no way to decide, and the athletes themselves cannot decide, then the default should be that neither go. A coin toss won't resolve anything in the long run, it will just create lasting pain and controversy.

In this case, it would be Knight who would go. She's a good performer.

But I want to emphasize that there is essentially NO WAY it would ever come to that, especially if people knew that's what the ultimate decision would be, they would find a way to resolve the issue.