luis c wrote:
Anyone care to comment on the Canadian TRIO
What I can predict is that Heinze's 2012 Canadian leading performance will no longer be in a few hours...
luis c wrote:
Anyone care to comment on the Canadian TRIO
What I can predict is that Heinze's 2012 Canadian leading performance will no longer be in a few hours...
Solinski wrote:
Yeah, cus a few of those Japanese collegians are doing 13:18 or better these days.
Oh, that's right, they're running 5000 m. Thanks for reminding me.
The 2011 IAAF scoring table gives both 13:18.27 and 27:52.43 the same point value of 1144. 27:30.63 and 13:08.81 get 1180, while 12:59.75 and 27:09.78 are 1211. 12:55.40 and 26:59.77 are good for 1227 points which are close to Solinsky's PRs, and 12:50.54 and 26:48.58 1245 points. Last summer Rupp did seem on pace for a 12:54-55 until Merga pushed him off the track.
It goes to show what exceptional, and rare, the collegiate performances were by Ritz, Rupp and Chelanga (and of course, Henry Rono, who's collegiate record was also the world record at the time). Basically anything under 27:50 is not to be scoffed at. In fact, there may have only been six official legitimate sub 27:50 performances in the NCAA ever.
Sam Chelanga, 27:08.49 (2010)
Henry Rono, 27:22.47* (1978)
Sam Chelanga, 27:28.48 (2009)
Galen Rupp, 27:33.48 (2007)
Dathan Ritzenhein, 27:38.50 (2004)
Ed Eyestone, 27:41.05 (1985)
Steve Prefontaine, 27:43.6 (1974)
At the time, Rupp and Ritz's times were listed as "American-born" records. Yet wasn't Rono's time not officially counted because it was run in the summer after his collegiate season? When Chelanga ran 27:28.48 in 2009, it was stated he had the collegiate record. Previously, T&FN Records Committee listed Rupp as having the record.
Homework assignment for while you all wait for the race. Are there any other collegiate times under 27:50? I looked for a top ten list with no luck. Was Pre's 27:43.6 a collegiate record? It was definitely an American record. What was the record before that?
Another piece of the puzzle. Samson Kimombwa of Washington State ran 27:30.47 in 1977. So how could Ritz and Rupp's records have been official collegiate records even if Rono's wasn't counted?
Samson Kimombwa, 27:30.47 (1977)
In 1967, Gerry Lindgren had the collegiate record at 28:40.2. That's quite a jump to 27:43. Was there a progression? Interesting quote from a Lindgren interview, though he's known to talk a lot of bs:
GL: "I got Prefontaine inspired about running. One summer when I was in college and visiting friends in Reedsport, Ore., about 15 miles up the coast from Coos Bay. There was a regional softball team that met at Coos Bay, and the people I was visiting had a son who had made the team, but Pre had been cut from the team. He was despondent and angry about it, so this kid asked me to go down and see if I could cheer up Pre, because he knew who I was. So I ran down to Coos Bay and knocked on his door. Pre opened the door and said 'I know you, you’re Gerry Lindgren.' Then he came outside and said, 'My God, you’re smaller than I am. I’m bigger than you, you’re just a wimp.' I don’t think I said a single word to Pre. He did all of the talking. He said, 'I’m going to kick your ass. I’m going to beat you. You’re just a wimp.' So I turned around and starting running back up the highway. Pre said later that he went and put on his shoes and chased me up the highway but couldn’t catch me. I don’t know if that’s true or not because I never looked back. I think that was 1966 or 1967 and that’s how Pre started his running career.”
Fastnbulbous wrote:
Homework assignment for while you all wait for the race. Are there any other collegiate times under 27:50? I looked for a top ten list with no luck. Was Pre's 27:43.6 a collegiate record? It was definitely an American record. What was the record before that?
Leonard Korir and Stephen Sambu ran the 10,000 at this meet last year.
Stephen Sambu, 27:28.64 (2011)
Leonard Korir, 27:29.40 (2011)
Boaz Cheboiywo, 27:46.47 (2003)
Scott Bauhs, 27:48.06 (2008)
Shawn Forrest, 27:52.10 (2009)
Mario Macias, 28:02.83 (2006)
Prefontaine's last NCAA race was in 1973.Your list is extraordinarily inaccurate.Marks during season ONLY:10,000 METERS27:08.39 Sam Chelanga’ (Liberty) 05/01/1027:28.48 ——Chelanga’ 04/24/0927:28.64 Stephen Sambu’ (Arizona) 05/01/1127:29.40 Leoard Korir’ (Iona) 05/01/1127:33.48 Galen Rupp (Oregon) 04/29/0727:36.2 Gabriel Kamau’ (UTEP) 04/24/8227:38.1 Gidamis Shahanga’ (UTEP) 04/24/8227:38.50 Dathan Ritzenhein (Colorado) 04/30/0427:38.6 Zack Barie’ (UTEP) 04/24/8227:41.05 Ed Eyestone (BYU) 04/27/85. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .27:46.47 Boaz Cheboiywo’ (Eastern Michigan) 05/02/03
Fastnbulbous wrote:
The 2011 IAAF scoring table gives both 13:18.27 and 27:52.43 the same point value of 1144. 27:30.63 and 13:08.81 get 1180, while 12:59.75 and 27:09.78 are 1211. 12:55.40 and 26:59.77 are good for 1227 points which are close to Solinsky's PRs, and 12:50.54 and 26:48.58 1245 points. Last summer Rupp did seem on pace for a 12:54-55 until Merga pushed him off the track.
http://www.iaaf.org/mm/Document/Competitions/TechnicalArea/04/33/41/20110124082825_httppostedfile_IAAF_Scoring_Tables_of_Athletics_2011_23299.pdfIt goes to show what exceptional, and rare, the collegiate performances were by Ritz, Rupp and Chelanga (and of course, Henry Rono, who's collegiate record was also the world record at the time). Basically anything under 27:50 is not to be scoffed at. In fact, there may have only been six official legitimate sub 27:50 performances in the NCAA ever.
Sam Chelanga, 27:08.49 (2010)
Henry Rono, 27:22.47* (1978)
Sam Chelanga, 27:28.48 (2009)
Galen Rupp, 27:33.48 (2007)
Dathan Ritzenhein, 27:38.50 (2004)
Ed Eyestone, 27:41.05 (1985)
Steve Prefontaine, 27:43.6 (1974)
At the time, Rupp and Ritz's times were listed as "American-born" records. Yet wasn't Rono's time not officially counted because it was run in the summer after his collegiate season? When Chelanga ran 27:28.48 in 2009, it was stated he had the collegiate record. Previously, T&FN Records Committee listed Rupp as having the record.
Homework assignment for while you all wait for the race. Are there any other collegiate times under 27:50? I looked for a top ten list with no luck. Was Pre's 27:43.6 a collegiate record? It was definitely an American record. What was the record before that?
To be fair, I did question the marks by Rono and Pre. This information isn't easy to find. Since you seem to have a good source, what exactly were the collegiate records after Lindgren in '67 an before...Kamau in '82?
4:27 pace is not gonna produce anything very exciting. I expected the first half to be at least 4:23 pace.
5000 meters in and Alastair Cragg has STILL not dropped out!
cragg should drop soon...
Derrick, Estrada, it's gettin' hot!
Levins will win this.
Levins wins with great kick, Chelanga, Derrick 27:31, beats Rupp's old record!
Good old Alistair!
-- Alistair Cragg adidas DNF
27:08.39 Sam Chelanga’ (Liberty) 05/01/10
27:27.96 Cameron Levins (Southern Utah) 4/30/12
27:28.48 ——Chelanga’ 04/24/09
27:28.64 Stephen Sambu’ (Arizona) 05/01/11
27:29.40 Leoard Korir’ (Iona) 05/01/11
27:31.38 Chris Derrick (Stanford) 4/30/12
27:33.48 Galen Rupp (Oregon) 04/29/07
27:34.64 Mohammed Ahmed (Wisconsin) 27:34.64
27:36.2 Gabriel Kamau’ (UTEP) 04/24/82
27:38.1 Gidamis Shahanga’ (UTEP) 04/24/82
27:38.50 Dathan Ritzenhein (Colorado) 04/30/04
27:38.6 Zack Barie’ (UTEP) 04/24/82
27:41.05 Ed Eyestone (BYU) 04/27/85
Very nice, three guys entered the top ten. Too bad Estrada is redshirting. Seems like a waste of what could have been a great NCAA season for him. Chances are, Derrick will still beat him in the trials after running NCAA championships.
27:32.90 Diego Estrada Unattached
Puskedra still ran a PR, 28:13.91. He ran a brilliant half marathon, then apparently his appendix burst. Not sure how much training he missed, and if he can bounce back and be a factor at NCAAs.
Correction, I just heard Estrada didn't get U.S. Citizenship in time, so he likely will be representing Mexico in the Olympics.
Reality Bath wrote:
Good old Alistair!
-- Alistair Cragg adidas DNF
What?, how is this possible? Wasn't the guy running third with five laps remaining?
how many people qualify for the trials 10,000m?