Wondering about.... wrote:
Wow, What's happening with Merga? Does anyone know?
Remember, Merga is training for the 10,000 in Daegu. He probably is putting in a lot of endurance work and may not be sharp in his finish as a result. Merga is still a favorite to medal in Daegu.
BOOM Merga dqed for al his pushing in shoving. uNFAIR OR FAIR?
Question wrote:
What type of rest are you using for the long intervals on the track? For example, when he has 2:30 between 3000m repeats what is he doing in that 2:30? Thank you.
Renato Canova wrote:
He simply walks. When you have intervals very fast, it's a mistake recovering jogging. Also Bekele, in his training before bettering the WR of 10000m in 2005 (in St. Moritz), when ran 4x2000m in 5'10" / 5'12" with 4' rest + 1x1000m in 2'27", simply walked without jogging.
Renato Canova wrote:
I never said recovery jogging is a mistake. But you need to understand the difference between one interval workouts and another, using this very simple rule : higher is the speed, higher is lactate for the same distance. Higher is lactate, longer and easier you need to recover.
So, in the case of running 10 x 1000m in 2'50", Imane Merga or the most part of strong specialists of 10000m can recovery 200m in 45" / 50". In the case of 10x1000 in 2'40", can recover about 2' (they are in altitude) mixing walking and jogging for 200m. In the case of 7x1000 in 2'30", can recover 4' simply working. Faster you run, longer time you need for lowing down the level of lactate, in order to start for the next interval.
Renato Canova wrote:
when I use intervals of 1000m at 10000m race pace (connected with the PB in altitude), I recovery about 1'30" using 200m jogging (Wilson Kiprop, 27'26" last year, 10x1000m in 2'43" / 2'45" rec. 1'30").
If I connect the same type of workout with their hypothetical speed at sea level (in the above case, I supposed 26'40", therefore 2'40" per km), I open the recovery till 2'30", and the athlete walks.
Of course, since not all the altitudes are the same and have the same effect
When these athletes go to sea-level, I have only to maintain their high aerobic power (they don't stay at sea level longer than 3 weeks, so we don't need workouts too hard in that direction), I maintain the same recovery, and I ask them to run faster (for example, 10x1000 in 2'35" with 2' recovery, while I'm not interested in 10x1000 in 2'42" with 1'15").
In other words, I use sea level only for incresing the SPECIFITY, all the fundamental and special training was already carried out in altitude.
In any case, remember that altitude can be dangerous if you carry out lactic workouts with short recovery. The main effect of training in altitude is to enhance the AnT and consequentely to increase the Aerobic Power. All the tough lactic training must be carried out at sea level.
Because all athletes and situations are the exact same, right? What a lame bump. If success in running was 100% follow-a-plan formulaic then Runner's World readers would be storming the Olympic podiums.
what happened to merga in hengelo, renato?
Not in Hengelo, but in all the season...
Imane lost the winter, from January, for a spine under his foot. I advices him to quit completely for two months, going Italy for having a specific treatment with "waves" able to destroy the spine. He preferred to have some treatment in an hospital of Addis, but this was normal physiotherapy for reducing the inflamation, not for solving the problem, that is mechanical. So, now he can train for 2 weeks, and after the foot is inflamed again, so has to stop. I think Imane is out of the Olympic Team in 5000m, too, because with little and not continuous training, also if you have talent, never you can be competitive at international level.
Renato Canova wrote:
Not in Hengelo, but in all the season...
Imane lost the winter, from January, for a spine under his foot. I advices him to quit completely for two months, going Italy for having a specific treatment with "waves" able to destroy the spine. He preferred to have some treatment in an hospital of Addis, but this was normal physiotherapy for reducing the inflamation, not for solving the problem, that is mechanical. So, now he can train for 2 weeks, and after the foot is inflamed again, so has to stop. I think Imane is out of the Olympic Team in 5000m, too, because with little and not continuous training, also if you have talent, never you can be competitive at international level.
Sorry to hear about Merga, but I would have thought he would have been more likely to have to undergo Tommy John surgery for chronic wear and tear on his elbows.
What is a spine, something he stepped on?
Renato, will we see Merga at some of the end of the year meets, such as Zurich or Brussels, if he does not make the Olympics in the 5000 or 10000 meter?
Bone spur?
bump
Would like to know more.
Renato Canova wrote:
I think Imane is out of the Olympic Team in 5000m, too, because with little and not continuous training, also if you have talent, never you can be competitive at international level.
Well, Canova, Merga did run under 13 minutes in Oslo. Is he so talented that he can run under 13 with "little" training? So Merga is basically running as well as Rupp at 5000m without doing much training. Is that right Canova?
Imane could train with continuity during the last month only, and the volume was not enough. Nothing compared with his training of last season (when, don't forget, he won WCCCh). The last period was more dedicated to some speed endurance, looking at the possibility to go in the team in 5000m, having a very little percentage of chances. You can see the equivalences between last season (12'53" / 26'48") and this season (12'59" / 27'42"), clearly showing the endurance is not the same.
However, in Oslo Imane was aided by a poor pacing, so he could use his final speed. In my opinion, if the pace was faster (about 7'42" at 3000m, that was the plan of Ethiopians before the race) he couldn't have any chance. Of course, if from now he can increase his training without fearing to stop after two weeks, there is time to grow, looking at 5000m only. The problem was for now, and he was lucky. Now, he can have some chance.
redux wrote:
If we (the US) had a guy who raced with the passion Merga does, LRC would love him and discussions about our distance guys would center around him.
It looks looks like Batty is like Merga, but doesn't run as far.
Clifford T Clavin wrote:
Renato Canova wrote:I think Imane is out of the Olympic Team in 5000m, too, because with little and not continuous training, also if you have talent, never you can be competitive at international level.
Well, Canova, Merga did run under 13 minutes in Oslo. Is he so talented that he can run under 13 with "little" training? So Merga is basically running as well as Rupp at 5000m without doing much training. Is that right Canova?
I don't know if Merga could run a 52.5 last 400m and 1:53 last 800m after running 2 races in the last 4 days before to close out his 5000m(atleast right now)
Renato, any more news on Imane?
Merga is on the start list for the Doha 3000m... It seems like he's struggled the past few years. Any chance this is the start of his come back? Any updates since his foot problems?