After watching Rudisha leap around the Heusden-Zolder track, I would have to say that his stride is a lot longer than 2meters!
After watching Rudisha leap around the Heusden-Zolder track, I would have to say that his stride is a lot longer than 2meters!
Poker wrote:I don't get your point. 1996 becomes special year of drugs because 1 guy (Kipketer) who's Kenyan starts running fast?
LOL Does it make any sense? I mean, why do I bother with making all the stats and graphs, when some individuals don't bother to look at them?
ventolin^3 wrote:
agree :
coe when he saw billy's rome win believed he was the guy to get under 1'42 & threaten his wr, but illness/injury ruined his chances albeit he won another gold
anyone who saw that race knew he was a level above elliot who within a coupla years had gone 1'42.9 - i'd rate billy in his rome form to have been in close to 1'42-flat shape & who knows what rested ( remember, it looked an impressive a win & just fractionally slower than cruz's 1'43.00 & he went 1'41.77 that year ! )
ereng looked a supertalent in winning gold - anyone who saw him shouda reckoned that was at least a mid-1'42 talent on the circuit & similarly tanui looked capable of high-1'42
these guys basically ran at/near their best in majors & weren't great time chasers on the circuit - the rewards for setting wrs didn't come with $50k or $100k bonuses at the time, so probably not worth killing yourself to attempt them seriously
certainly, 1 wouda expected 3 even 4 more kenyans in the < 1'43 category between '87 - '95 if they had pushed themselves to the limit on the circuit ( i look at yego who's nowhere as talented as those guys & he's gone 1'42.67 ! )
They would certainly run 1:40x, only if they pushed theirselves a bit harder. And if they had wings, they would routinely fly to the Moon.
The fact remains that during the Kenyan "dominance", middle distances stagnated. Only EPO brought some marked advancement in mid 90's. Anyway, without EPO, the 800/1500 m haven't really advanced at all even after 25 years, which we can now see very clearly.
This is a nice argument you are presenting:
Take out the exceptional African guys who improved times in the event and say they took EPO(Morceli, El G, Ngeny, Lagat-though I'm suspicious of him too). Leave all the guys who ran slower. Ignore all other factors- lack of huge payouts for WR chasing, more opportunities for Kenyans to run professionally in Europe etc. This makes the event's time progression stagnant. This is validated by the intro of EPO the effects of a test, and subsequent slower times from 2004-2010, right?
Czech guy wrote:They would certainly run 1:40x, only if they pushed theirselves a bit harder. And if they had wings, they would routinely fly to the Moon.
moron
you are f***ing clueless
you never saw any of these guys run & have no idea what the hell you are talking about
no one has claimed 1'40+ for them, but anyone having watched these guys on tv & live at meets woud have had no hesitation in assigning potential circuit times, if they'd chased times seriously of
billy ~ high- 1'41/low-1'42
ereng ~ low/mid 1'42
tanui ~ mid/high 1'42
benson ~ low/mid 1'42 - his rieti 1'43.1 was the easiest 1'43 (low) i've ever seen a youngster run
ventolin^3 wrote:
Czech guy wrote:They would certainly run 1:40x, only if they pushed theirselves a bit harder. And if they had wings, they would routinely fly to the Moon.moron
you are f***ing clueless
you never saw any of these guys run & have no idea what the hell you are talking about
no one has claimed 1'40+ for them, but anyone having watched these guys on tv & live at meets woud have had no hesitation in assigning potential circuit times, if they'd chased times seriously of
billy ~ high- 1'41/low-1'42
ereng ~ low/mid 1'42
tanui ~ mid/high 1'42
benson ~ low/mid 1'42 - his rieti 1'43.1 was the easiest 1'43 (low) i've ever seen a youngster run
Hypocrite!
Notice they're all Kenyans, and as one himself Ventolin is the only person who can pass judgement on their "potential" based solely on the fact that he "watched them" on tv! LOL.
Suggest Coe had the potential to run 1:41.0 and he has an aneurism! Utter Muppet!!!!
Great, more made-up time potential from Ventolin. Awesome!!! Tell us Ventonlin, how much time is in worth in an 800m to run in an oxygen enriched environment (a track surrounded by trees?)
grand slam wrote:Hypocrite!
Notice they're all Kenyans, and as one himself Ventolin is the only person who can pass judgement on their "potential" based solely on the fact that he "watched them" on tv! LOL
moron
2 of those won the big gold, another won 2 wc - that's why it's justified in talking about their potential
the other guy ran an effortless 1'43.1 as a raw kid & looked unhesitatingly the new superstar of the event & immediate favorite for atlanta, let alone gothenburg - it never happened for him, but i never found out anymore about him
if this was a talk about every 800 champ from '64 - '08, i'd have no hesitation in offering everyone of them a 1'42 except doubell/wottle & ovett, former 2 maybe dip into 1'43s & ovett a mid perhaps low 1'43
Suggest Coe had the potential to run 1:41.0 and he has an aneurism! Utter Muppet!!!!
it was virtually a perfect run - low-1'41s but he coudn't ask for better circumstances ( apart from questionable track/timing - a 1'41 in a golden league calibre track/timing was lacking )
Ventolin, you are an idiot. So what if they won gold medals? That in itself has NOTHING to do with your fantasies about how fast any given athlete COULD have run. You just get aroused at the thought of what might have been. This is fine in itself, but know that very few take you seriously.
MAPIV wrote:So what if they won gold medals?
moron
THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT THEIR POTENTIAL
ventolin^3 wrote:
MAPIV wrote:So what if they won gold medals?moron
THAT'S WHY I'M TALKING ABOUT THEIR POTENTIAL
Yeah, well you have NEVER been able to accept reality...do you understand that winning a gold medal has no logical correlation to underachieving, which is what you implicitly suggest? NO, you're ostensibly not bright enough to understand this...
fool
i see you know nothing about the sport
learn something
to aim for a peak at a globals & win gold in superb times, not necessarily pbs, as ereng & tanui did in almost inevitable tactical races means that if in that form they had run on the circuit in perfectly set up races, they woud be likely to have run some exceptional times - likely by far the best they ever had
rodahl is a prime example - he won in 1'42.58 with prior 1'42.95pb earlier in month losing to kips 1'42.76
anyone with a clue who watched that race wouda had no doubt rodahl was in low-1'42 shape on the circuit - may have even been 1'42-flat & even if kip had been there, it wouda been a virtual toss up, with only a fractional favoritism to kip seeing as he later went 1'41.8 & obviously he wouda been that shape in atlanta
No, imbecile, that is why they call it a peak performance. These athletes have had chances to run personal bests before, during and after the Olympic Games. In addition, other competitors would be equally impacted, not just gold medal winners. THINK before your next post...
ventolin^3 wrote:
Czech guy wrote:They would certainly run 1:40x, only if they pushed theirselves a bit harder. And if they had wings, they would routinely fly to the Moon.moron
you are f***ing clueless
you never saw any of these guys run & have no idea what the hell you are talking about
no one has claimed 1'40+ for them, but anyone having watched these guys on tv & live at meets woud have had no hesitation in assigning potential circuit times, if they'd chased times seriously of
billy ~ high- 1'41/low-1'42
ereng ~ low/mid 1'42
tanui ~ mid/high 1'42
benson ~ low/mid 1'42 - his rieti 1'43.1 was the easiest 1'43 (low) i've ever seen a youngster run
I THINK YOU SERIOUSLY UNDERSTIMATE THEIR POTENTIAL, MENTOLIN.
I saw Billy running and I would say that he would be capable 1:41,70 at least, if not 1:41,68 if he wore a more aerodynamic T-shirt. Ereng was a big talent as well and I guess that if the wasp on the Olympic stadium didn't hit his nose, he would have run 1:42,77, perhaps even 1:42,66.
Yeah, and as for Tanui... I saw him running, too, and he himself actually told me that he would be capable to break 1:40. But the wart on his foot caused him a big discomfort, you know. Benson...That's the guy, who would be able to break 1:39,50 in Rieti 1994, only if he drank more milk before the race and had stronger farts?
moron
you simply haven't a f***ing clue
if a guy runs 1'42.58 ( pb ) off
- high-50, when he woud be looking for low-50
- 76.1 when he shouda been looking for 75.4
- runs last curve outer part of lane 1, costing about pi meters & last 75m in lane 2
what the f*** do you think he wouda run that day on the circuit in a perfectly set up race ???
please
let your inbred euro-trash brain do what it does best - spend an hour deciding whether to use the fork or shovel to clear your shit off your floor & leave the athletics posts to guys who have seen & thought properly
road races did not test, if at all, until recently, and even the world marathon majors didn't test for EPO until two or three years ago, I believe. The championship results for many fast marathoners were not very good for a long time. In other words, the only fully tested road races got a lot of dnf's and dns's, plus slower times, than the untested or undertested road races.
you're a smart guy
you shoud know all top ~ 15-20 guys in any event are on random iaaf/wada test pool & all top 3s in any significant race are fully tested + tests of anyone in the field who iaaf/wada feel are "notables" - & this goes back years, at least since '99 when wada was founded
the premise top road guys only got tested recently is severely flawed
You are so stupid it is frightening. Almost no race is perfect. Perfection only exists in your fantasy world. Gray went through in 49.5. Rodal CHOSE to stay behind. The race was perfectly rabbited for Rodal. He NEVER led until the final straight. It was set up perfectly for Rodal. You're an idiot.