MARY KEITANY: can she take down Paula's Legendary 2:15:25 WR

kevincylo2 wrote:

Paula Radcliffe only ran 2:29:27. That's not a record.

Sorry, can you explain your joke? I know some don't like to recognize the 2:15 because of male pacer but she did do 2:18 in a women's only race and also broke the 2:29 you quote many other times.

rsbones wrote:

kevincylo2 wrote:

Paula Radcliffe only ran 2:29:27. That's not a record.

Sorry, can you explain your joke? I know some don't like to recognize the 2:15 because of male pacer but she did do 2:18 in a women's only race and also broke the 2:29 you quote many other times.

Just ignore him. It´s such an obvious trolling attempt.

[quote]VIPAM wrote:

In the World Best 10km this year she raced to an eventually 2nd place (beaten by Ethiopian track runner) finish bettering her road pb signifcantly. If Mary had someone to push her the last two years in the 1/2 marathon I think she could of lowered the WR.

1) Vivian Cheruiyot (Ken)

2) Mary Keitany (Ken)

http://wb10k.allsportcentral.com/results/results.cfm?EventID=21219

kevincylo2 wrote:

Paula Radcliffe only ran 2:29:27. That's not a record.

i like the ethiopian girls as much as anybody, but radcliffes 2:29.27 was a horrible race for her, it happens with everyone at some point, but the topic is who might have a chance at her 2:15.25 world record, not who can beat her in a disastrous race for her as her 2:29 was.

give radcliffe her props, she was a legitimately great runner by any ones standards and her world record marathon will be a major challenge for any female alive today, t. dibaba, keitany, defar, abeylegesse, chepkirui and anyone else, bar none.

douglas burke wrote:

kevincylo2 wrote:

Paula Radcliffe only ran 2:29:27. That's not a record.

i like the ethiopian girls as much as anybody, but radcliffes 2:29.27 was a horrible race for her, it happens with everyone at some point, but the topic is who might have a chance at her 2:15.25 world record, not who can beat her in a disastrous race for her as her 2:29 was.

give radcliffe her props, she was a legitimately great runner by any ones standards and her world record marathon will be a major challenge for any female alive today, t. dibaba, keitany, defar, abeylegesse, chepkirui and anyone else, bar none.

Hey, I´ll say it again: this guy is such an obvious troll, it´s best to ignore him. He wants people to take his bait.

Paula Radcliffe record is 2:15:25 I don't care if she ran it in an all male race with with pacing her in a diamond formation- she still ran 2:15:25! Now in regards to the record being a major challenge for any female alive I would have to disagree:

Mary Keitany could come close to it two-three years from now if she improves her shorter distance speed and stay healthy when returning to marathon training.

ELVAN ABEYLEGESSE has a legitimate shot if she start focusing on the marathon now and stay healthy for two years.

TIRUNESH DIBABA surely could beat the record even if she waits til she 26 she would have 5-7 good years left to challenge Paula's incredible world record.

I'm know Paula's record is LEGENDARY but you still haven't seen the best from those ladies at 10000m to 1/2 marathon. When and if they move up to the marathon and get experience they will be mindboggling!

When will Tirunesh Dibaba , linet masai, and Vivian cheruiyot make their half marathon debut? Why won't race organizers invite them to their race?

linet masai was scheduled to run a half marathon against mary keitany, but the kenyan federation would not let her, even though masai had already traveled and was at the race site, (i think it was in dubai. masai has run a 10 mile mile race in 50:39.

i agree the 2:15.25 is the womens world record by paula radcliffe, as she ran on her own feet, her pacer simon lopuyet paced her, he did not carry her, the men always have pacers for a minimum of 13 miles usually 30k and occasionally to 35k, geb was paced for the majority of his 2:03.59,

right NOW the women dont have many runners who could be used as pacers for 13 miles, much less to 30k. and there are NOT MANY WOMAN YET who race like radcliffe in her prime, who had a strategy of i am going to run fast, try and stay with it if you can, so i dont think the 2:15.25 will be broke in a all womens race anytime soon.

I agree that there are women capable of breaking the 2:15.25 world record, who are already alive, i just think it will be a major challenge for any woman, i dont think there are any woman who can just decide to run a marathon and it would be a foregone conclusion that woman would break the record.

Hey Douglas Burke what's your PR and how old are you?

Hey Douglas are you from Great Britain? I'm Kevin a runner/cyclist from orange county. I ran Avia OC half marathon and I'm running Cypress 10k and La Palma 10k. 1635 Kevin Huynh Buena Park, CA 5488 2:00:55 9:14 M 16-19/29 M-17 I ran 2:00:00 half marathon it was so long.

I want to race against Douglas. Douglas did you race in California before? Once I graduate high school and earn a living I'll run in Great Britain maybe Manchester London 10k.

Mary blasted 31:06 PB on the roads today winning by over 1 minute and 9 seconds. What could she have done today if a lady pushed her to at least 9000m?

Mary is still in a period of recovery, after the WR of 25 km her training was 70% only. From half of June she starts the preparation for the first marathon. We will see how she can grow, using the increase of volume with the idea to maintain the same intensity, in a top half marathon in September.

And nobody has to forget that her split during the HM of New Dehli, last year, was 30:39....

Renato

Thanks for reminding us of Mary's 30:39 spilt enroute to her 1/2 marathon victory. I know you coach Mary and seem to being humble when speaking of her capabilities; however, it appears to me Mary is capable of close to sub 30:10 on the right flat 10km course (30:10-30:15 track) if she trained for the specifically 10000m.

Many people overlook her great 10km spilts enroute to longer distance and think that she couldn't be a elite 10000m runner if that was her goal. GREAT JOB!

MarathonMind wrote:

And escamotage? (means subterfuge) Sorry but that's a cheap shot.

I thought that it was a wonderfully candid, accurate, knowledgeable, and succinct assessment of what occurred at the 2003 London marathon. What was unclear to me was Renato's suggestion (as I understood it) that such escamotage is not available to Mary Keitany. Has IAAF ruled out such arrangements? Or is Renato simply suggesting that Mary lacks the clout that Paula had in arranging such a set-up?

I think that now it's too early for speaking about an arrangement like in London 2003. I can suppose that the advantage can be about 2:00, so, till when Mary is not able to run under 2:18:00 in a race for women only, is useless to look for something else.

In any case, personally I don't agree this type of competition. Of course, the most important thing, for Mary, is to try to become the best marathon runner for an Olympic cycle, in the post-Paula era, and she, her coach (that, I repeat, is not Renato, but Gabriele Nicola, a young Italian that I can consider my pupil, living in my town in Italy, with me for 13 years, now for long time in Kenya and Ethiopia : I am the advisor and we discuss together training plan and strategy) and the manager, Gianni Demadonna, can find the best solutions for reaching this goal, with my help too.

About the fact that Mary competes few times, this is the fruit of a strategy in order to run ALWAYS when prepared, and to have time to prepare marathon at top level before debutting. Our personal behavior (mine and of Gabriele) is to build a top champion, not to run hungry behind money. And, in this case toom at the end an athlete can earn more money using technical top choices (producing top quality few times per year) than producing quantity : think for example to the difference between a prize for the winner and for the third position in New York, and the difference in terms of image that can produce benefits....

To guide a champion is not as to run for fun.

Renato

I understand the training for the marathon is different then preparation for a 10000m runner. Is there anytime in the future that you or Gabriele Nicola would consider having Mary Keitany train for a fast 10000m track race or have her run World X Championships?

Ingrid Kristansen did so early in her career and still moved up to the marathon very well. I remember she even had decent outings in both the 10000m and marathon within the same calendar year. Thanks for your responses Renato!

I repeat what I wrote early on this thread.

I watched Paula, (on television) with featured her for most of that epic race and came to the conclusion that the decision to provide her with a couple of male pacemakers on the day was one of the daftest, (amongst many) decisions ever made by the London organisers.

If fact, I surmised before the race, that the presence of male pacemakers in a woman’s race would taint any record for all time.

In the race itself, quite naturally considering the uniqueness of the circumstances, both Paula and the pacemakers seemed a bit bewildered as to their respective roles.

In fact, many times, Paula, who much prefers being out front on her own, often appeared irritated and at times, even had her steady pacing disrupted by the pacemakers erratic running and constant changing of positions on the road.

As an example of the lack of forethought or preparation that went into the experiment, I notice there was a panic by the organisers towards the finish, when it appeared the pacemakers were about to sprint home in front, spoiling Paula’s crowning moment!

My impression on the day was that Paula was in such incredible condition at that time and had so much confidence in her ability to run all out for 26 miles - that had they left her to run the race on her own, she’d have still run 2.15 - and dare one think it? - even faster?