If you're good you could pick up a few hundred or a grand at a good PL meet. More than most road races.
Alan
If you're good you could pick up a few hundred or a grand at a good PL meet. More than most road races.
Alan
on the tv show rexonas greatest athlete, both Billy slater and shannon eckstein benched i think 35 or 36 reps at their own body weight. james o conner also made around 30 at his own weight. many athletes who are fit allround can do quite alot more strength then you'd think. skinny little runners, probably cant do so well..
Runningart2004 wrote:
If you're good you could pick up a few hundred or a grand at a good PL meet. More than most road races.
Alan
Hmph, well looks like i may have been wrong about Mike Kuhns. Thanks for the correction.
As far as your most recent statement...
A few hundred or a grand? That's NOTHING. That is not worth traveling across states to get to. It would cost be that much to even get there. That's nothing compared to most big road races. Aren't the biggest races offering over $10,000 for first place? So if a few hundred or a grand is all that I could hope to make, why would I want to be a professional weight lifter?
why are you still on this thread? just give us some results for proof.
Feed the troll, you know you want to....
BIGGEST races yes...AVERAGE races? Not even close.
Anyway...PLing is a VERY small sport and if you do it geared (as most people do) you're going to be spending a few hundred dollars on gear alone. There is no such thing as a "recreational powerlifter"...unlike the bloated road races you see.
If I was benching over twice my bodyweight or pulling or squating anything notable I'd get my but to the nearest meet just to do it.
Bodybuilding on the other hand has quite a bit of money attached to it....here's the breakdown for the 2009 Olympia:
-1st place $155,000
- 2nd place $90,000
- 3rd place $60,000
- 4th place $48,000
- 5th place $38,000
- 6th place $30,000
- 7th place $18,000
- 8th place $17,000
- 9th place $16,000
- 10th place $14,000
- 11th place and under $4,000 each
Add to that the magazine covers and such and you can make some dough if you're one of the best.
The training is in the same ballpark although you're rarely if ever see BBers going down to single, doubles, or triples. Most of the best BBers have been powerlifters (Ahnuld, Ronnie Coleman, etc). Physically and mentally BBing is much tougher...getting down to 3-5% bodyfat while maintaining muscle mass and sanity and then trying to shed as much water as possible....is not a healthy persuit.
Some PLing organizations have drug testing at the meet, some don't, but it's mostly a drug and don't get caught sort of sport. BBing is even worse. You can go to a random NPC show in Podunk, KY and every winner will have used something at some point and probably close to 50-75% of those on stage. Narcissism at its worst.
Alan
Vaughan and I (we're brothers) have been doing the pump and run the last 7 or 8 years. I live and work in Columbus. He is crazy fit this year. He's trying to qualify for the world duathalon and has been doing hardcore aerobic work (bike) for the last year. I appreciate the skepticism as the 16:16 is out of range from previous races - but that course is legit 5k. He very well may be blowing his own horn - but he's got the all-time record.
its got to be a certified course. 800 people do the event and its been going on for 8 or so years if i'm not mistaken. typical letsrun posters not knowing what they are talking about.
whats his weight and height? do you know his max bench by chance? is he coming back to defend his title or focusing on the duathlon?
I am sure he'll be back next year. He's 5'9-5'10 155#. I think he dropped to 152.5 for the pump and run. He is going to have to shed some bulk if he wants to really compete in the duathalon. But he'll hit the weight room to get back up to 30 reps next year.
I'd like posters take on the bike as a training tool for running. Vaughan has not been running much but has been doing huge hours on the bike. He has been doing quick workouts but I was shocked at his 5k improvement this year. Is it all about time at HR in traing zone, HRmax etc.? In other words, will a three hour bike ride at elevated heart rate improve your running aerobic threshold more than an hour run at the same HR (plus less stress on the legs)?
Max bench - I don't know.
One of the top few runners at this years event (mid 16's 5K & close to 30 reps) is my training buddy. According to him one of the other keys to the lifting portion of this competition is to be short, or at least have short arms. For all those interested, his background includes a lot of running (he's also done a marathon well under three hours), but he played lacrosse in college.
According to him the best people for this competition are former college soccer or lacrosse player. They tend to be short, have developed aerobic systems, good speed, and have done years of formal weight training. Pure runners do not tend to do as well. Apparently some 15-low & 14-high 5K guys have attempted this race before and not done well. None of them were able to do more that ~15 reps and have actually have pretty crappy runs after the lifting portion. I guess its possible that the lifting takes more out of you then you think.
Every time I read about this event, I wish my track coach from High School would train for it. He was a tiny guy, maybe 5'6", 150 lbs or so, but he was just solid as a f***ing brick shithouse.
He was a 2X state champion in his (one and only) year of track (4:17, 9:17), and I have watched him put up 300lbs on a bet with our football coach.
If you're not impressed, let's see you go win the event next year.
I will personally mail you a check for $100 if you provide your name on this board now and win it next time around.
runningart,
the schedule you provided earlier in this thread (which 2 people i trust when it comes to lifting have said its a great schedule) - the schedule has 1 day a week benching bodyweight, as many reps as possible, 3 sets.
should i be doing this every week? isn't this like time trialing or racing too much?
Do it everyweek.
Doing a 1RM test every week would be like racing every week.
Alan
ok, sounds good.
Interesting thread. I have to admit I just read through the whole thing, and I think I believe the 'real experience' guy. why not? If you have a half way decent job and make decent money there is no reason to compete for money in bodybuilding. why can't someone just try and see how much he can bench without entering a contest?
My roommate did this race this year and got 5th place and is a former D1 runner, but stopped due to his foot being f***ed after sugery so he can't run more than 30mpw. He did 29 reps and ran 17:07, said he woulda had 30 but after waiting in line for 3 hours he lost all adrenaline. I feel he is the closest to some one on the board doing this challenge. He weighed in at 155 and before the competition had done it 35 times. So i understand how difficult people are saying it is to do well at this, but i feel that if if most talented d1 runners trained for this they could kick ass at it. BTW if he does this again next year, money says he wins.
its just a world class lift (going by runningarts observations and proof in the post where he lists the recors)
i'll be the first to congratulate the guy, but whats a world class lifter doing posting on a running forum?. the odds are against it being true. call me pessimistic, but it would be like a 4 minute miler not racing and coming on here and posting stuff. or would it? ah who knows, but either way, im very skeptical to say the least. especially after he said he got to that weight, if im not mistaken, solely on pushups?? c'mon now....
You can get that dude. Keep lifting and don't take any time off from it. Once Jan 1st hits start adding 5 lbs per lifting day. Two weeks out your first set should be huge. Like 4 x 250 for first set... second set 8 x 200.. and third set 8 x 170.. Keep on adding weight. Good luck. See you next year.
is there cash prize for the arnold 5k pump and run? big trophy? does the winner at least shake Arnold's hand and get a pic?
pump and run wrote:
You can get that dude. Keep lifting and don't take any time off from it. Once Jan 1st hits start adding 5 lbs per lifting day. Two weeks out your first set should be huge. Like 4 x 250 for first set... second set 8 x 200.. and third set 8 x 170.. Keep on adding weight. Good luck. See you next year.
By day 3 you will have a crushed trachea and be on a ventilator for life support .