Could Coe had gone sub 13 in the 5000m

bangalangadanga wrote:the 5,000m is very weak, even for Seb. I'd say a sub 13:30 definitely. 13:15 being around his eventual pr had he focused on the 5,000m

spot on

we don't know what he couda done for 5k if he had concentrated on it solely ( he mighta approached 13'00 ), but in '81 his potential was :

45.6 / 1'41.3 -> 3'27.2 , 4'46.7 , 7'32.1 , 13'20.1 , 28'46.3

to

45.7 / 1'41.4 -> 3'27.2 , 4'46.6 , 7'31.8 , 13'19.0 , 28'43.0

so, i'd have to say that ~ 13'20 was his limit in '81 ( "classic" 5k - ~ paced to 3k & solo last 2k )

even in '86 when he ran his 3'29.7pb, he woudn't have been fast over 5k

rough line of fit for him in '86

46.5 / 1'42.5 -> 3'28.4 , 4'47.7 , 7'32.4 , 13'17.6 , 28'34.0

coe sub 13? wrote:

Don't be dumb we've all seen the workout results of where he roasted that top brittish 5k guy in 800m repeats coe coulda run the sub 13 in the early to mid 80's ez. The reason he didn't is cause who in their right mind what's to run for a longer amount of time to excel in a less glamorous event???

How did he do in the 1200 repeats?

He didn't. If he could have he would have.

If he didn't, he couldn't.

slow day, so may as well anticipate a question :

"what coud rudy run for 5k ( or 1500 ) at his peak ?!"

at his 800 peak - berlin wr - he couda gone at worst high-1'40 with closer attention to wabbit tangui to get proper drafting & maybe better splits

his 400pb of 45.50 was opener off only strength work

his manager ( jlt on t&f bb ) reckoned high-44/45.0 was better ~ berlin

so :

44.75 / 1'40.75 -> 2'10.5 , 3'28.1 , 4'49.1 , 7'38.3 , 13'35.6

or

45.00 / 1'40.75 -> 2'10.3 , 3'27.2 , 4'47.4 , 7'34.7 , 13'27.4

he woud be no shakes over 5k...

yeah, but to this date he hasn't even run a 1000m, so kaki is much the better of the two in the longer events

Coes pb on the road is 14:00 according to this

http://www.thegreatdistancerunners.de/SebastianCoe.html

Under 13:00? Well he didn't run under 7:50 over 3000m and ran only 4:58 over 2000m. So 13:30 - 13:40 maybe like the runner he was. Focusing on it for two three seasons then close to 13:00. I say 13:07

kaki ?

maybe as debating point

45.50 / 1'42.00 -> 2'12.0 , 3'30.0 , 4'51.4 , 7'41.2 , 13'39.3

or

45.75 / 1'42.00 -> 2'11.8 , 3'29.1 , 4'49.7 , 7'37.6 , 13'31.0

3'30 woud be tough ask...

52.43 wrote:

yeah, but to this date he hasn't even run a 1000m, so kaki is much the better of the two in the longer events

Coes pb on the road is 14:00 according to this

http://www.thegreatdistancerunners.de/SebastianCoe.html

Under 13:00? Well he didn't run under 7:50 over 3000m and ran only 4:58 over 2000m. So 13:30 - 13:40 maybe like the runner he was. Focusing on it for two three seasons then close to 13:00. I say 13:07

If you look closer at his list of races, then you'll see 3 road runs where it shows a 5000 capability well below 14:00

1978 - 4 miles in 17:54 - that's 13:54 5k pace for another mile

1980 - 7.5km in 20:59 - that's 13:59 pace maintained for 2.5k further.

1983 - 6.7km (not 7.5km as on the list!) in 18:28 - that's 13:46 5k pace for another mile.

I'd say all of those were below 13:30 in a track 5000m race, and they were all run out of season.

As for his 4:58 2000m, it was a solo run for the entire 5 laps at the beginning of June. I've got the race on dvd and will put it on Youtube soon, but the pace maker was already 10m ahead by 200m in. Coe went through 400m in 56.9 and was alone for the entire race. Just through lack of drafting alone, that has to be worth 4:54/4:55, which would have put him 2nd on the all time list at the time.

The race underlined more Coe's inexperience at running the distance.

Coe's fastest 3000m was indoors in Feb or March on a wooden track. His 7:54 would have been worth probably sub 7:50 even on a modern indoor track. The fact he ran the last 1000m inside 2:30, would suggest around 7:45 form that day.

I'd say he was capable of 13:20 in the right race any season just off his 800/1500 training. While no great shakes now, that would put him in the top 10 most seasons at the time.

With specific training for a season I see no reason that he couldn't have approached 13:06 - 13:10.

Blood doping brings the production of some auto-antibodies that can weaken your immune system and recovery capacity, so infections and injuries.

Now think about Steve Ovett LA 84 and Sebastian Coe toxoplasmosis..

The myth remains for me as a runner, but for me as a student.. I can't swear that Ovett and Coe were clean