Fastest 2 mile time for Military guys??

what i was saying before, the most impressive thing about Simon's times is not so much him not having the time to run, but being able to put up those times considering the physical demands of his job. My dad always used to get out and run during lunch, and you are right that it is encouraged. Yet, how many marathoners spend that much time up on their feet running around, and still run the times Simon did? I know some USMC runners, who run for the team, and there arent as many fast ones as in other branches. I used to run against some in college and would kick their asses. There were a few who were pretty quick, but in general you don't see as many at the level of the army. So thats all I meant by his times when considering his job.

My generalization is just that, but it is based on, not working closely with Marines, but being one, and leading them for 7 years. I am well aware that TOP GUN is bullshit, and I don't think you know what you are talking about either. 35% of my career was deployed time on amphibs or land-based in SWA, Bosnia and Haiti, so I think I understand ops tempo. I always found time to run at least a few days a week, and so did other runners. If this guy did it without any training, that is truly more amazing than I think I already gave him credit for.

Also, TOP GUN was about Navy Pilots, not Marines. It was, as I said bullshit, but the Navy can only dream that all its pilots are heading for a workout (even if it was a fairly gay looking volleyball match) after work. My second well-informed "generalization" would be that Navy guys are out of shape.

53 Pilot, you went way out on left field, why so offended? I was joking about TOP GUN, just pointing out that some people thing the military is all either Hollywood Bull or we waste tax payers money, I gave you a polite response, and you had to go and insult the Navy, wow, GAY? Anyway, I just merely pointed out that, yes, although encouraged to workout, many Commands act as if the person seriously training for something is somehow taking away from the "mission". And, although, by reading your post, you'd think I was bashing the Marine Corps, I truly admire and respect the Marines I was honored to work with, yes, I'm a little Navy squid girl, not too fat, managed to run my 1 1/2 in 8:30 and 3 mile in 17:52, but being a Pilot, I'm sure you blew both those times away. Anyway, no hard feelings intended.

Hey Fellas

How is this stop loss going to effect the Army guys? How long will it last? Just wondering.

they have that in the army now? i know the marines had that and it was lifted in august. i know a few Lt col's that almost were not allowed to retire b/c of it, but just barely made it. also, i know for guys already in, i know of a few who could not get out and go to school, or get out period even though they had already planned on it. i know its a bitch to get in as well. i know this past summer and fall the OCC classes were much smaller, making it a bitch to get in. i know a ton of guys who waited around for a while. but hey, you join the service to serve, and considering all of my buddies who are over there right now, I'd be the last guy complaining in that situation, im just proud to wear the uniform.

I pumped out 120 pushups and 140 situps then I ran 8:53 for two mile. I guess thats good but Im gooin to try and break 830 for two mile next time. MOst of these times im readin arent very good. Most everyone in my unit has broken 11 minutes. if we were pussies we'd probably train more and kick some civilian asses.

um .... don't think so.

no liein man. there was this one skinny little bastard runner in highscooll that though he was all the shit and I smoked his ass wrestling once and I once pounded the living shit out of he and friends at a party and iwasnt even tired and they were all breathing hard and scared of me and shit.

I'm scared of you too. You sound dumb as hell with no concept of time.

...and they give you a gun! Oh god save us.

You 9:00 minute haters can piss off. They don't call me Mother Dumbbell for nuttin. Get some. Get some.

I'm sure they don't.

You do know the correct spelling of "ridiculous," that it's okay to capitalize the first word of a sentence, and that the correct way to punctuate a question is with a question mark, right? Well, maybe not, but anyway...

Umm...Never mind. At ease, genius.

You do know the correct spelling of "bullet" and the difference between "there" and "their," right? Do we servicemen (including we commissioned officers) have to teach you civilian kids everything? I don't doubt that you literally make dough, but unless you want to be employed at a Dunkin' Donuts for the rest of your sorry life instead of just during your high-school years, I suggest you pull up a clue or two and dig in.

Back to the main topic: Most guys with a competitive distance background actually don't run close to their best two-mile in a PT test if the course is measured accurately; it's tough to be in truly top running shape while on active duty, and the sit-ups and push-ups - while not precisely draining - do take a bite out of your run, mostly through screwing with your hip flexors (the Army's idea of sit-ups is kind of f***ed up) and abdominals. As I said, when I was at OBC people thought low 10's for a deuce was amazing, but my personal best (while similarly unamazing) is closer to nine minutes than to 10. Of course, who knows how much extra I had to run on account of dodging 150 or more assbags who'd spent all of camp partying their asses off on the Riverwalk and pissing on the Alamo, but anyway.

Where the f*** is the better half of that quatation boy. Oh, shit, he spelled quatattion wrong. Oh chist give me 10,000 you stupid f***er.

Hey, maybe I'm on to something here, was it all the 10,000's that made you all so fast? ho ho.

Anyways, chill out. You're fast as f*** and can spell, so what the hell are you taking it all so personal for. "YOu sonofa bithch ending it with a prepostiion." ho ho.

There are a lot of little and not-so-little things that mess with track-bred guys' ability to run well in a PT test. For guys in Basic it's a no-brainer - you're tired as hell and there's no way you could put in the kind of workouts you'd need in order to sharpen up even if you had the time and weren't having your mind and your ass beat down every day. I was at OBC, which by comparison is a joke and in my case was a six-week party punctuated by twice- or thrice-weekly PT that was also a joke of equal magnitude. I wasn't downtown with the party-boys every night and I was putting in maybe 60 miles a week with the occasional workout, so in theory I could have run OK in the test, but training in San Antonio in July and August is not a barrel of fun.

The sit-ups and push-ups may not "kill" you but they aren't an idea way to warm up for a race, either. Plus it sucks wearing the cotton T-shirt and shorts everyone has to suit up in, especially when it's 88 degrees and humid as hell even at 4:30 in the morning. These sound like minor gripes and they probably are, but the shit adds up.

When I did the test they started about 75 people on one corner of the half-mile track and another 75 or so at the opposite corner, so the faster guys in each group were catching packs of slower ones within two minutes or so. The size of the track cut down on the lapping factor, but it was still a predictable clusterf*** of the highest order.

When I was at camp there was a CPT stationed there who had run at Memphis State (now the U. of Memphis, I think) in the mid- to late 1980's and reported having run a 47-point 400 and 24:30-ish in cross as a collegian as well as an 8:57 duece in the PT test (he may have done this in ROTC before he was commissioned, I'm not sure). It was obvious from talking to him that he wasn't blowing smoke.

Someone else will have to confirm this, but I believe the cadet standards for getting max scores (100) in each event at West Point are, or were, 100 PU, 100 SU and 10:30 in the run.

U ain't talking to the right vets cuz . Of course people get out of shape if u don't continue training . My fastest two mile . 8 laps . 10,560 ft. Was 11.02 and I puked instantly after crossing the finish line . Also consider I smoked everyday and probably just prior to the run and that's after my push ups and sit ups with were usually 70 sit ups and 90 push ups . That was a average to high for my combat engineer Co . I maxed out . I also got dog ass drunk every weekend and trained in the field and deployed with all that that kept me from physical training time . So for all u civilian hot shots that work out everyday to look pretty and have impressive numbers , get those numbers while living a real man's life .

Raymond White wrote:

U ain't talking to the right vets cuz . Of course people get out of shape if u don't continue training . My fastest two mile . 8 laps . 10,560 ft. Was 11.02 and I puked instantly after crossing the finish line . Also consider I smoked everyday and probably just prior to the run and that's after my push ups and sit ups with were usually 70 sit ups and 90 push ups . That was a average to high for my combat engineer Co . I maxed out . I also got dog ass drunk every weekend and trained in the field and deployed with all that that kept me from physical training time . So for all u civilian hot shots that work out everyday to look pretty and have impressive numbers , get those numbers while living a real man's life .

Because you have to be in the military to be a real man? Move along, tough guy.

Raymond's Whites wrote:

Because you have to be in the military to be a real man? Move along, tough guy.