how many individuals qualify per region?
how many individuals qualify per region?
Therez only ONE Rupp !
Four. So is there a list of all the at-large qualifying teams?
Fastnbulbous wrote:
An American college kid running a time that would have been good enough for not only gold but a world record in 1972, and top ten in any other year, is clearly in a different league than anyone else in the NCAA right now.
So many things wrong with your post. First of all, you're living in the past. Yeah, Rupp would have been great if you put him in a time machine right now and sent him back to '72, but guess what? In 1972 there were no altitude tents, no "zero gravity" treadmills, no underwater treadmills. I doubt there were even breathe-right strips. Time's are different now. Yes, I'll agree he is a great runner, certainly one of the greatest American runners currently. But to compare his 13th place finish to some of the greatest Olympic races in history is blasphemy! He is nowhere near the caliber of those people. If you go back far enough in time even I could have been a world record holder and Olympic champion.
Here, I put your stats into perspective, since everyone knows Olympic 10k's are all about place, not time:
28:24 Billy Mills, 1st, 1964
27:51 Frank Shorter, 5th, 1972
29:20 Gerald Paul Lindgren, 9th, 1964
27:46 Abdihakem Abdirahman, 10th, 2000
28:29 Todd Williams, 10th, 1992
30:14 Tracy Smith, 11th, 1968
27:53 Mebrahtom Keflezighi, 12th, 2000
28:14 Daniel Browne, 12th, 2004
27:36 Galen Rupp, 13th, 2008
28:38 Garry Bjorklund, 13th, 1976
27:52 Abdihakem Abdirahman, 15th, 2008
28:26 Abdihakem Abdirahman, 15th, 2004
28:34 Pat Porter, 15th, 1984
30:26 Thomas Laris, 16th, 1968
29:09 Bruce Bickford, 18th, 1988
30:42 Gilbert Ronald Larrieu, 24th, 1964
28:13 Jorge Torres, 25th, 2008
31:40 Van Nelson, 28th, 1968
He's a professional runner against collegiate amateurs right now, which is why he is being placed on this pedestal. He's a great runner but still has a ways to go before he's at the top of American running history.
After watching today, I like Oregon even less. I don't like Rupp at all.
Rupp is not really an NCAA runner in my mind. He's a Nike runner who runs to help Oregon win NCAA Championships. It's like if UCLA got Bryant to help assure them win in the NCAA tournament. I look at it like UTEP in the early 80s. How did having runners shipped in from Africa fundamentally help the NCAA? U.S. distance running went into its low point after we started running the "regular" system and the "winning" system side-by-side. I don't think the NCAA really recovered until 2001-4 when Colorado, Stanford and Wisconsin started dominating - not because they didn't have foreign runners, but because it was about building the best team without special connections to East African nations, without coaches for individual athletes and without money being spent left and right to make them #1 - sheer determination under good coaches with talented teams.
Rupp might be born and bread in the U.S. running system, but he gets a lot more than anyone else in that system, so he's not really a part of it. Rupp is a great talent who I would like to see do great things on the world stage, don't get me wrong, but who is he really bringing up with him? He doesn't work out with the rest of his team much. His team doesn't benefit from the same careful attention that Rupp gets. And neither does anyone else in the NCAA.
They say that great runners help boost up the entire system, and I agree with that to an extent. But not all programs are created equal and even if they do have great programs - a Stanford, Wisconsin, Oklahoma State and even Rupp's own Oregon are great programs with good funding - the runners at those institutions don't have the resources that Rupp has at his diposal.
To me, Rupp is just a ringer. Funded by Nike to help their shining university secure NCAA running titles, nothing more. I'm somewhat ashamed to say that I was happy watching Washington clobber the Oregon women, who were supposed to walk away with the NCAA title this year, even without their top runner. Nothing against the Oregon women, but the Washington program is a great example of how you build competition and talent in the NCAA.
I'd say slamming the Oregon women is pretty petty. They are a bunch of hard workers (and humble) just like the Washington women. Washington women are INSANE right now, more dominant than any team that I can recall at the D1 level. Oregon improved on them from Pac-10's (despite Washington's #1 runner out) and they have the important race coming. Unfortunately for Washington their track record at NCAA's isn't great compared to regular season performances.
As for the Rupp hating, he is doing the same thing he was when he came into Oregon and was overshadowed by the Kenyan from Arizon and finished about 5th at NCAA's. He's grown older and gotten stronger and faster. So he now hits a new plateau and suddenly it's like they just pulled him out of Europe and took away his $200K salary?
Rupp has been a big draw for Oregon, he is doing a service, and he is running in the jersey that he wanted to when he competed in high school in his home state of Oregon. Rupp has not only missed out on a very nice salary, but some damn big bonuses that he would have realized for his world championship spot, his olympic spot and his top finish at the olympics.
Bottom line is, he's a college age athlete (unlike some foreign athletes in the NCAA) and he has college eligibility. Go figure.
Kosinski really stepped up today, and UW women held their pack tight. It must have been quite a sight to see the first four women finishing in as many seconds (with the field right on their heels). Good luck to both teams in TH.
I'm not a Rupp fan at all. But, the bottom line is if other collegiate runners had the opportunity to take advantage of all the resources Rupp has they would use them to their full advantage as well. If you're not using everything you have at your disposal your not as committed as you could be.
I'm not a Rupp fan at all. But, the bottom line is if other collegiate runners had the opportunity to take advantage of all the resources Rupp has they would use them to their full advantage as well. If you're not using everything you have at your disposal (within legal limits of course) your not as committed as you could be.
boomslang wrote:
Kosinski really stepped up today, and UW women held their pack tight. It must have been quite a sight to see the first four women finishing in as many seconds (with the field right on their heels). Good luck to both teams in TH.
Yeah Kosinski and Blood both stepped it up to where they should be. With the exception of Schaaf (right now) they belong ahead of the Washington girls.
Alright, everyone. I just mapped the Stanford course on usatf's map a run. It turned out to be 9.90 kms, so somewhat short. I think the most of the reason it's so fast is that it's pancake flat. Also, the more important thing is that Rupp won by 50 secs, not his time.
Here's my map. I might have done it somewhat wrong (people that were there, tell me).
Not a Rupp fan wrote:
Rupp might be born and bread in the U.S. running system...
So what are you saying--you think next week he'll be toast?
Thank you. Thank you very much. I'll be here all week.
http://www.instantrimshot.com/Rupp still broke 28 for a full 10K then. Ridiculous domination.
Hey, CU men were very impressive today. Despite some of the post-race comments to the contrary, I suspect many of them went to the well a little more than is recoverable in nine days, but who knows. Nice for them to have a great run today, nonetheless. Don't listen to sjc; CU would have been competitive with OSU today. I know they wouldn't have beaten them, but it would have been very close, both in points and cumulative time, which wasn't the case at Big 12's.
Night Rider wrote:
boomslang wrote:Kosinski really stepped up today, and UW women held their pack tight. It must have been quite a sight to see the first four women finishing in as many seconds (with the field right on their heels). Good luck to both teams in TH.
Yeah Kosinski and Blood both stepped it up to where they should be. With the exception of Schaaf (right now) they belong ahead of the Washington girls.
The Washington women won at Pac-10s when it was a RACE and here they were running as a pack just behind in what is a qualifying run where they are supposed to take it as easy as possible and you infer from this that they 'belong ahead of the Washington girls?
you obviously weren't at the midwest regional. not one of the top 5 guys on the ok st team were pushing in the least. i mean, they were talking the ENTIRE time. stop comparing times and bullcrap like that.
Not a Rupp fan wrote:
I'm a jealous c***.
Good job Tupp-
Amen about Rupp.
I don't really have a problem with the rest of the Oregon team, though. Anyways how can Rupp honestly be part of the team? He does his own thing and the rest of team actually trains as a team. Salazar dissapoints me for doing this. There was even a Runners World story once called "track is back" I believe. It basically said that during track Rupp checks in with the team coach and then goes off with Salazar to do his "elite" training garbage.
I HATE IT when people think they are above the NCAA system.