UNC cut's "All-American" 800 Runner...

do you guys ever sort of feel like losers coming on here every two weeks and talking crap about unc/whit/craddock? it's pretty pathetic.

not talking crap, asking a question b/c I saw someone else was talking crap about her saying she was cut...and I was asking how she was cut and still racing for them...that's not talking crap.

and no I don't feel like a loser when I can beat 99% of their team.

Craycraft,

I personally take offense to your comments.

Who you calling "Clay"?

I don't usually post on here, but would like to make one statement. UNC's coaching staff is a far cry from acceptable, and any coach that fails year in and year out should be fired. Any other type of career would lead to termination with that much failure, but for some reason no one cares.

The NCAA should create a rule in which the University is obligated to post statistics on the amount of athletes that quit or were removed from the team. You can find similiar statistics on academics when choosing a school, so why not athletics? College recruits, much like myself at one time, picked UNC on academic merits rather than athletics. Former teammates and myself gave Whit too much coaching credit based on his achievements with a few of the women. _Scalywag_

I was terminated as well (not on the list). Trust me, this pattern is no new thing. This behavior, by Whit specifically, goes back years. The man is a robot who doesn't know how to coach. I talk to HS athletes all the time in NC, and advise them to go to UNC only if they don't want to run. It's a great school, but the distace program is ass-backwards. I'm not sure if it's the same way from when I was there. But back then, only Kiss-Asses were in with Whit. It didn't matter how hard you trained, it just mattered how much you kissed the mans butt and hung out with him in his crappy little office.I look back with no regrets, not running in college actually helped me in life by giving me more direction for my future. But a word of warning to those HS athletes considering running for the man; He'll make up lies about you if he wants you gone. If he doesn't have a "legitimate" reason to kick you off, he'll just make one up. That way he doesn't look like the jerk. It seems like a lot of you are still bitter towards the man (perhaps I am a bit too). Don't let an emotionless robot affect the rest of your life, perhaps it happened for a reason. But like I said, as irritional as the man is, move on with your lives. I know, I'm a walking contradiction.

CheeseWeasel wrote:

The man is a robot who doesn't know how to coach.

It cracks me up when I read comments like this. If you are saying someone doesn't know how to coach then you must know how to coach. Please, fill me in, what NCAA champions have you coached? All-Americans? Olympians? You know how to coach because you read the LetsRun.com messageboard? I love little 19-year-old punks who are "experts" at coaching and do nothing but criticize coaches because they know better. (I'm not specifically calling out the poster I quoted; this type of comment has been made throughout this thread.) How often is there a thread with a title like, "My coach sucks, what should I do about it?" or "How do I go about telling my coach how we should train without getting him mad?" If the coaching was so bad, please, point out specific types of workouts that "sucked" or how the general training plan "sucked." Just because a bunch of 18- to 22-year-olds got thrown off a team (probably because they acted like typical immature college students) doesn't mean a coach is bad. I used to teach and one thing I learned was, in the eyes of a student, it is ALWAYS the teacher's fault. I had students who complained to me that Mr. so-and-so can't teach and that's why they got a D or F. I'd ask them, "Did you ever ask to stay after school for a little extra help?" "No." "Did you ever ask to discuss the results of a test you failed during lunch?" "No." "Did you do every homework assignment this quarter?" "No." You get the point. Clearly the student failed because of lack of effort, but in his eyes, it's still the teacher's fault. I get the impression that the same is true here. The people getting thrown off or quitting don't have the guts to point the finger at themselves so they throw blame at the coach.

When you resume looks like this, then you can start to criticize college coaches. Until then, just shut up and stop embarrasing yourselves.

And I'll be waiting for your amazing, perfect training plan to be posted here so I can follow it and make the incredible improvement that you would have made if the coach had "coached correctly" (AKA according to the things you learned on LetsRun.com).

you only need a 1.7 gpa and 14 credits per-semester to be eligible for ncaa division one athletics. soooo basically you have to try to not be eligible, kind of sad, kind of impressive lol

The people getting thrown off or quitting don't have the guts to point the finger at themselves so they throw blame at the coach.

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Word to moms and pops....and whoever else these people cry to.

what do you mean.

just a thought or two wrote:

au contraire wrote:

I've heard of 2 fellas who were in the Big 10 and got cut under the guise of poor times. However, I think both were scorers in XC and one of them ran one of the fastest miles on the team that year.

Those two Big Ten runners were cancers to the team and the team was much better off without them. One of them is a complete douche and still emails the coach like a psycho demanding an explanation for his dismissal.

Here's a hint- you're a psychopath, buddy, and you couldn't hack it as a Big Ten runner. Get over it and go to dental school, dude. YOU'RE OUT OF ELIGIBILITY. MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE, LOSER.

Who were they?

Wiccan wrote:

Too many walk-ons at UNC, that is the problem.

The walk-ons corrupt the structure of the team.

Yeah, walk-ons are scum! Bastards.

Michael, stop posting about your self fruit

Whit is a good man, anyone who knows him can attest to that.

I am not sure who is posting on this thread, but I imagine it is jealous kids who couldn't hack the program.

I had Whit as a professor and he was fantastic. I also know he is a great coach, proven by the fact that his former athletes (that have gone professional) have attempted to keep him as a coach even if they live in other areas of the country.

2 thumbs up for Whit. He is an extremely smart man who also knows a lot about running and coaching.

He just doesn't put up with bullshit, something more coaches should emulate.

Want to come to UNC and try to drag ass? Don't expect to remain on the team. You have to earn a spot on Whit's team, it isn't easy. The failures weed themselves out.

It is pretty simple, really.

"also know he is a great coach, proven by the fact that his former athletes (that have gone professional) have attempted to keep him as a coach even if they live in other areas of the country"

Ha! A monkey with a stop watch could have coached those women successfully.

ChimChim wrote:

Ha! A monkey with a stop watch could have coached those women successfully.

Couldn't you say that about any successful athlete?

I guess sonly coaches with athletes who suck qualify as good coaches in your book...

Ask any successful athlete coached by Whit if they think he was a good coach, I bet their answer is a resounding "YES!"

Then go ask any of these morons who couldn't handle being a student athlete what their impression happens to be...

Whose opinion holds more water?

So sorry you are "tired of this crap" but whatever the would-be coaches here say, it still doesn't take a good coach to recognize a bad one. In fact, it doesn't take much experience at ALL to recognize a bad coach. It just takes some common sense or looking at the race results. Obviously one bad year of results doesn't mean much but year after year? Bad coach

When I was fifteen I had a coach who told us that we had to run hard every single day. Just that. Always run hard. Now I didn't know diddly squat about the sport but I knew even then that was a bad idea. 35 years of experience have shown me how right I was.

The results? Sure enough, we would have killer practices and then get killed in meets.

Now by your logic, since I didn't have a better plan, I should have just shut up and done what I KNEW was stupid. Fortunately, I didn't live by your absurd logic. I got the hell out and ran on my own. When we moved a few towns away, I joined the high school team there who had a much better coach with a reasonable program. We all did much better.

"Want to come to UNC and try to drag ass? Don't expect to remain on the team. You have to earn a spot on Whit's team, it isn't easy. The failures weed themselves out.

It is pretty simple, really."

Earn a spot on his team - you have to be joking. Since Whitlesey started the UNC men have been at the bottom in the ACC in XC almost every year. And the tail end of the ACC is pathetic. So what do you have to do to earn a spot on Whit's team - Run like crap, train hard and run like crap, kiss his ass and run like crap. There's plenty of talent there and I find it hard to believe that 10 years of piss poor running is because UNC has a tendency to recruit "bad seeds".

In the last 6 years UNC men have finished no higher than 7th in the ACC in cross. What other coach at Carolina would keep his job with that kind of record? Whit gets plenty of talent - Carolina is a great school and tuition is dirt cheap for any in-state resident. I'm sure some of those kids work hard. It doesn't seem like the failures are weeding themselves out - its more like the potential success stories get weeded out. When kids fail to run fastre than they did in HS then perhasp its worth taking a look at the coaching.

Whit might not be a good coach, I certainly don't know the answer to that debate.

I am pretty sure he does a poor job of recruiting kids out of high school, becasue he seems to pick a bunch of crybaby idiots who cannot handle training for a sport.

Most of the guys in that list are total tools, and I have a feeling they are the ones posting on this thread.

Talk about losers.