JUSTICE FOR BILL ARIS

How much have you had covered up for him? similar to the Kranicks. Legendary program, decades of cover ups, slapp lawsuits against concerned parents Ans Finially the facade cracks and they are revealed as monsters. Only happened 25 years late

Guys,

This only has one outcome. The lawyer will see a "troubling pattern" and Aris will be let go. Districts have to do this to protect against lawsuits. Coaches are "At Will" workers with very little protections. They honestly don't care how great he has been, just whether or not the lawyer recommends firing for cause. If he does, Aris is gone. He will because if he doesn't and Aris "offends" again, then the lawyer's reputation takes a hit. What lawyer is going to do this for an old cross country coach, regardless of past success? Zero. The district just passes the buck to the lawyer.

Bill will need to take the money everyone has generously donated and use it to help his wife. He is now retired, whether he realizes it or not at this point. Nobody at the District Office is going to try to save him, they only try to protect themselves. That is why the lawyer does the dirty work.

Awful to see this happen to someone who has really built up this sport.

Coaches who feel the need to scream, call names, or use the word "woke" are crap coaches.

Covered up? Facade? Stop the drama and lies. No one ever raised or wanted to raise disciplinary actions against him. Or they would have. And you’re the one mentioning that these parents are monsters. Let this play out. And good luck if you all wanted a new coach. Chances are yo regret it. Bill will always have our support and doesn’t deserve this especially after all his successes and now dealing with a horrific home situation. Hope you’re all so proud of yourselves.

Then how can one say that the parents who complained have an inflated sense of importance?

The lawyer could also find a new and small complainer cluster, and conclude that some people maybe even did some fudging. Maybe the lawyer recommends that the school board investigates some of them, and that the coach did nothing bad at all, and actually did everything right. Might even say that even though the coach is at-will, doing the right thing actually means something after all, and supporting his return is in the best interest of the school and the majority of people. The media releases said that the lawyer is an investigator hired third party by the school board through BOCES. The outcome should depend on all of the info shared during all of the interviews and any other subject matter.

Gee thanks for your valuable contribution to the thread. Sound like a high school kid. Good luck in the workforce

As intelligent as you claim to be, your vast expertise in linguistics appears to have failed you. Read my past responses. I have clearly stated before your accusation that I have had positive interactions with Bill and I hope to see him for years to come. That's ok though. Maybe you can try to condescend someone else and it will work. Best of luck to you in your future crazy amazing endeavors.

These parents sound woke.

Then what is this thread about?

No, it's not. It's classic opinion, and it can't be the basis of a defamation award. If I say that I saw Coach Aris weigh an athlete, and he has in fact never done so, then I could be liable. By contrast, if I say that Coach Aris is a terrible coach who doesn't care at all about his athletes and he's responsible for their injuries, that's opinion.

Imagine being an underclassmen and having your Mommy stir up a legal circus act that becomes national news. All because they seek revenge. You know that the kids in schools know who you are and now you indirectly are responsible for getting rid of a legendary coach who has been winning championships before you were even born. How mortifying. The kids, those involved and others are reading these threads. Here’s a lesson. Don’t be like these parents. If you don’t like the situation your kid is in remove yourself from it. Nothing ever comes out well when parents act like this. Take the high road.

Has it become inevitable that if you are a successful coach and stay at 1 school/program for a long time eventually you will face something like this?

You can’t be serious.

What a bizarre thread. You're deluded if you think this is "national news". I'll be damned if there are more than 50 people in the world who have given this a second thought. It's high school cross-country lol. I'm guessing everyone in this thread is from upstate NY and has too much free time.

Past few weeks has been quite an emotional ride hasn't it people?

Never been so neutral about a story in a very long time but like logic should go, I like to weigh in on both sides of all of it and for some people it's a very hard pill to swallow.

For the record, I've been following the FM program since '04. Not in the district, at one time a serious runner, now just a running enthusiast, and a former coach that was fortunate to see some pretty good success and got to personally witness a lot of great things occur from all levels. Middle School, High School, College (D3 & D1), and beyond. Over all the years, I have had such a "Love/Hate" relationship with this program.

At first it was jealousy, then with maturity and time it turned into respect and admiration. There has been a lot of congrats towards the program and unfortunately a lot of "What the heck are you thinking?" situations as well. I've witnessed a lot from personal interactions and events, talks with former runners of the program, and judgement of a lot of different characters. We've all heard about the good and we can keep flexing on all the great accomplishments but the reality is there has been a lot of unfortunate stories that the public won't know exclusively or refuse to acknowledge because they want to try and remain in this "perfect little me bubble."

At the end of the day it comes down to Bill Aris, and many closely affiliated with him, being a very passionate individual(s) that in my opinion pushes the envelope and it takes special individuals to fully understand what he (and they) are trying to push. If he didn't have such success, he'd be looked at being a lunatic, much like the Stotan's idol/founder Percy Cerruty. But with all perceived greatness comes with a whole lot of failure and it takes ego-lessness to self reflect and think maybe I did take it a bit far and to admit it too.

We have been all raised differently and life's moments have caused us to become the way we are now. I look back on it now and these kids are pretty fragile (and that goes for every generation, we just coped with it all differently). Takes the mind to fully grow and develop till 25 years of age. We're dealing with 18 year old's and under. For us coaches, parents, supporters, accusers, and defenders let's take it easy here because it isn't about us but for the younger generations that we hope have a good time in there journey and also to meet with the other kids that unfortunately had bad experiences with CONVERSATION (not control), compassion, empathy, and evolve with the times. That's what a GREAT coach does. PERFECTING THE PROCESS. I think that quote has been said quite a bit with that program.

One last thing too, Aris has been spreading the philosophy of what it mean's to be STOTAN. Maybe we should take a moment on both sides of this fight to be reminded by this line in the Stotan's code.

(g) To understand that Past, Futures, Fates, Fears, Death, Selfishness, Egoism, Pride, Envy, Hate and Prejudice can be replaced by Intelligence that controls emotion, dominates destiny, manifests completeness and exults in Life.

So with all the big voices (and EGOs) on here, read that as a reminder and let the process perfect itself.

Here’s the arrogance. I’m a more successful coach than Aris and I agree that his behavior is not coaching and he became arrogant and which is why he is in the position he is in. My colleague actually ran for him so maybe insider intel is frowned upon upon.