Someone remind me not to read their stuff for at least a month. They need to be put into a corner and have timeout for at least 30 days after coming up with an idea this dumb:
Citius wrote:
You could, for the sake of argument, view national governing bodies’ role in the process as more of a middleman with a frustrating tendency toward inconsistency. Rather than Team GB holding out developing athletes, shouldn’t it be up to World Athletics to say who’s invited? Instead of Kenya not announcing the Trials location until a couple weeks before, World Athletics would simply give the Kenyan federation a list of accepted names. In lieu of Australia hosting qualifying meets five months in advance, World Athletics could save them the trouble.
Rather than leave everything up to Seb Coe sitting alone in a room with a whiteboard and a telephone, WA could simply double- or triple-down on its touted world rankings system.
The top three ranked eligible athletes from each country are selected. Hard stop.
What's crazy is they compare their idea to the NFL system. It's a TERRIBLE analogy.
Citius wrote:
Every NFL team understands what needs to happen to play in the Super Bowl; each division doesn’t set its own playoff rules. Similarly, track and field could benefit from a lot more international consistency about “the rules” – and whether or not you think World Athletics should hold all the power, they have the ability to create a system that’s more streamlined for global championships to come.
They must not watch or understand sports.
Yes, comparing Olympics to Super Bowl is fine. We agree on that. But the playoffs are the US Trials. And to get to the Super Bowl, you have to do well in the playoffs.
Their (dumb) idea would be the equivalent of putting the top 2 teams from some sort of power rankings database (probably DVOA) without even holding playoffs or looking at their actual record.
Here is why Citius idea is stupid.
I don't care what your world ranking is. I care if you are in current form. Current form > world ranking.
Do you know who the top 3 in the US right now are in the men's 800 world rankings?
#1 Josh Hoey #2 Bryce Hoppel #3 Donavan Brazier
What a joke.
So Cooper Lutkenhaus wouldn't be on the team?
In the women's 5000 and 10,000, Jane H would be nowhere to be seen. Molly Seidel wouldn't be an Olympic medallist. -Rojo
Face it. Citius is a joke and no one takes them seriously. Bunch of unprofessional basement dwelling guys with nothing else going for them. Why anyone still bothers to listen to them is beyond me. It’s like high school all over again.
Keep the trials but only allow entry based on the best three man/women that have lived in each state or are living aboard to take part for each event.
There can be multiple meets to determine the best athletes based on times/distance or by rankings per state/overseas and then in the final trials to be top 3 takes the places.
you get the enjoyment of watching the athletes, they take part in events and gives a pathway for for when the athlete typically leaves ncaa, obviously funding is needed but state and companies state base sponsorship should go along to delivering it, or advertise revenue from Letsrun forum could do it
Someone remind me not to read their stuff for at least a month. They need to be put into a corner and have timeout for at least 30 days after coming up with an idea this dumb:
Citius wrote:
You could, for the sake of argument, view national governing bodies’ role in the process as more of a middleman with a frustrating tendency toward inconsistency. Rather than Team GB holding out developing athletes, shouldn’t it be up to World Athletics to say who’s invited? Instead of Kenya not announcing the Trials location until a couple weeks before, World Athletics would simply give the Kenyan federation a list of accepted names. In lieu of Australia hosting qualifying meets five months in advance, World Athletics could save them the trouble.
Rather than leave everything up to Seb Coe sitting alone in a room with a whiteboard and a telephone, WA could simply double- or triple-down on its touted world rankings system.
The top three ranked eligible athletes from each country are selected. Hard stop.
What's crazy is they compare their idea to the NFL system. It's a TERRIBLE analogy.
Citius wrote:
Every NFL team understands what needs to happen to play in the Super Bowl; each division doesn’t set its own playoff rules. Similarly, track and field could benefit from a lot more international consistency about “the rules” – and whether or not you think World Athletics should hold all the power, they have the ability to create a system that’s more streamlined for global championships to come.
They must not watch or understand sports.
Yes, comparing Olympics to Super Bowl is fine. We agree on that. But the playoffs are the US Trials. And to get to the Super Bowl, you have to do well in the playoffs.
Their (dumb) idea would be the equivalent of putting the top 2 teams from some sort of power rankings database (probably DVOA) without even holding playoffs or looking at their actual record.
Here is why Citius idea is stupid.
I don't care what your world ranking is. I care if you are in current form. Current form > world ranking.
Do you know who the top 3 in the US right now are in the men's 800 world rankings?
#1 Josh Hoey #2 Bryce Hoppel #3 Donavan Brazier
What a joke.
So Cooper Lutkenhaus wouldn't be on the team?
In the women's 5000 and 10,000, Jane H would be nowhere to be seen. Molly Seidel wouldn't be an Olympic medallist. -Rojo
Someone remind me not to read their stuff for at least a month. They need to be put into a corner and have timeout for at least 30 days after coming up with an idea this dumb:
What's crazy is they compare their idea to the NFL system. It's a TERRIBLE analogy.
They must not watch or understand sports.
Yes, comparing Olympics to Super Bowl is fine. We agree on that. But the playoffs are the US Trials. And to get to the Super Bowl, you have to do well in the playoffs.
Their (dumb) idea would be the equivalent of putting the top 2 teams from some sort of power rankings database (probably DVOA) without even holding playoffs or looking at their actual record.
Here is why Citius idea is stupid.
I don't care what your world ranking is. I care if you are in current form. Current form > world ranking.
Do you know who the top 3 in the US right now are in the men's 800 world rankings?
#1 Josh Hoey #2 Bryce Hoppel #3 Donavan Brazier
What a joke.
So Cooper Lutkenhaus wouldn't be on the team?
In the women's 5000 and 10,000, Jane H would be nowhere to be seen. Molly Seidel wouldn't be an Olympic medallist. -Rojo
Chucky Chavez can hand out cupcakes (or dunkin donuts) to the winners of collegiate women's races. He is a good neutral party because the women won't be attracted to someone they can outrun in a mile.
Yes, Harrison Dillard is a great reminder. Another one that comes to mind is the 1976 Men's 400 hurdles. Jim Bolding and Ralph Mann would've been picked for the team, but there was a trials won by the nearly unknown Edwin Moses. Moses won gold, Mike Shine silver and Quentin Wheeler just missed the bronze in 4th. None of them would've been picked.
The trial by fire mimics the Olympics themselves. It is the best way to choose a team. And it's an amazing meet in itself.
In my opinion the best format would be the top 2 at the trials qualify, with the 3rd allocated spot decided by USATF.
Agree with others that in the USA we need the trials because of the depth of competition and to have another high profile meet for the sport, but at the same time if a top ranked athlete is sick or has a terrible race they wouldn’t be screwed.
Keep the trials but only allow entry based on the best three man/women that have lived in each state or are living aboard to take part for each event.
There can be multiple meets to determine the best athletes based on times/distance or by rankings per state/overseas and then in the final trials to be top 3 takes the places.
you get the enjoyment of watching the athletes, they take part in events and gives a pathway for for when the athlete typically leaves ncaa, obviously funding is needed but state and companies state base sponsorship should go along to delivering it, or advertise revenue from Letsrun forum could do it
Keep the trials but only allow entry based on the best three man/women that have lived in each state or are living aboard to take part for each event.
There can be multiple meets to determine the best athletes based on times/distance or by rankings per state/overseas and then in the final trials to be top 3 takes the places.
you get the enjoyment of watching the athletes, they take part in events and gives a pathway for for when the athlete typically leaves ncaa, obviously funding is needed but state and companies state base sponsorship should go along to delivering it, or advertise revenue from Letsrun forum could do it