You'd think Lemngole and Kosgei as sub-15 runners would give her a very tough race but the performances so far this season indicate that there will be at least a 20 second gap from Hedengren back to second.
Umm... Tuohy in 2022. She could have stayed with Valby from the start, but chose to pull her teammates instead.
In 2017 Grant Fisher basically punted on the individual title to run a more conservative race and help Stanford's podium hopes. He finished in 5th and Stanford podiumed. He was supposed to be the guy up front battling it out with Justyn Knight that year, like they did at Nuttycomb.
The next two Stanford guys were 30 second’s behind Fisher and the one after was 1:20.How could he possibly have helped the team besides contributing only 5(?) points to the team total. He was just 12 seconds behind the winner so I really doubt those seconds put Stanford on the podium. Did he actually say he tanked the race?
You'd think Lemngole and Kosgei as sub-15 runners would give her a very tough race but the performances so far this season indicate that there will be at least a 20 second gap from Hedengren back to second.
Lemngole won the 2024 championship in 19:21. Not sure how hard that course is but that is 58 seconds slower than what Jane ran in the big 12 champs this year.
You'd think Lemngole and Kosgei as sub-15 runners would give her a very tough race but the performances so far this season indicate that there will be at least a 20 second gap from Hedengren back to second.
How hard do you think those two ran in the first race?
You'd think Lemngole and Kosgei as sub-15 runners would give her a very tough race but the performances so far this season indicate that there will be at least a 20 second gap from Hedengren back to second.
Lemngole won the 2024 championship in 19:21. Not sure how hard that course is but that is 58 seconds slower than what Jane ran in the big 12 champs this year.
The 2024 championship was on the Nuttycombe course. It’s more difficult than Rim Rock and significantly more difficult than the Gans Creek course where the championship is. I wouldn’t know how to compare times from one race to another on different courses but in cross that really doesn’t matter anyway. Different race with different people in it, different course, different conditions…
Yes, those Stanford teams were loaded, and as shown above, their top 5 in 2002 were all ahead of Hall in school and older.
Compared to Ritz and Webb, Hall seemed to have a more gradual adaptation to the NCAA. Their freshman year, Ritz finished 4th at the national XC championship, Webb was 11th, and Hall was 76th. Then Ritz and Webb shined in track (although not as much as Webb would have liked) while Hall redshirted.
I think having such a deep distance squad gave Stanford the luxury of being patient with Hall's development. They didn't need to rush him to be able to score points. He had a very nice progression, going from 76th in XC to 37th to 2nd.
Was looking at the 2001 results and it was cool to see John Hedengren at 47th
Based upon my review of past results, in conjunction with the use of LACCTiC, and assuming the course is fast that day, she can win this by at least 20secs.
Lemngole won the 2024 championship in 19:21. Not sure how hard that course is but that is 58 seconds slower than what Jane ran in the big 12 champs this year.
The 2024 championship was on the Nuttycombe course. It’s more difficult than Rim Rock and significantly more difficult than the Gans Creek course where the championship is. I wouldn’t know how to compare times from one race to another on different courses but in cross that really doesn’t matter anyway. Different race with different people in it, different course, different conditions…
Have either of you heard of LACCTiC?? I’m not sure how you could visit the College forum here and not be aware of it. https://www.lacctic.com/
One of LACCTiC’s main objectives is to compare performances between different courses and conditions.
We have a thread here devoted to race simulation, with LACCTiC heavily factoring into the predictions:
Division I Cross Country10/07/2025 4:12am EDT7 months ago
Here is a start on a Natty’s Simulation Countdown :www.lacctic.com/simulate/teamIDs=953,263,2444,1329,1079&individualRunnerIDs=90788,70990,92963,106354&league=&deleted=124115,124118,125709,124116,82397,82394,124121,124122,124...
Based upon my review of past results, in conjunction with the use of LACCTiC, and assuming the course is fast that day, she can win this by at least 20secs.
I don't think we have yet seen Doris run a flat out 6K in XC, or 5000 on the track. Last year she split 10:10/9:11 with a 2:56 final K in Wisconsin, thoroughly gapping a 14:52 5000 runner in the final 400. Even Indoors, 15:05 to win with final 1000 at 2:50 and final 400 at 0:63. And certainly her XC debut at the SEC championships was not flat out.
Based upon my review of past results, in conjunction with the use of LACCTiC, and assuming the course is fast that day, she can win this by at least 20secs.
I don't think we have yet seen Doris run a flat out 6K in XC, or 5000 on the track. Last year she split 10:10/9:11 with a 2:56 final K in Wisconsin, thoroughly gapping a 14:52 5000 runner in the final 400. Even Indoors, 15:05 to win with final 1000 at 2:50 and final 400 at 0:63. And certainly her XC debut at the SEC championships was not flat out.
Did you listen to her post-race interview at SEC’s? I took that into account when coming up with a number. Fitness ebbs and flows with the seasons.
I agree, 20 seconds would be a huge gap, difficult to imagine.
Let’s say Jane lays down a 14:52 TiC performance, to Doris’s 15:00; on the Missouri 6k course, that’s approximately a 10sec gap. That makes more sense.
I agree, 20 seconds would be a huge gap, difficult to imagine.
Let’s say Jane lays down a 14:52 TiC performance, to Doris’s 15:00; on the Missouri 6k course, that’s approximately a 10sec gap. That makes more sense.
I don't think we have yet seen Doris run a flat out 6K in XC, or 5000 on the track. Last year she split 10:10/9:11 with a 2:56 final K in Wisconsin, thoroughly gapping a 14:52 5000 runner in the final 400. Even Indoors, 15:05 to win with final 1000 at 2:50 and final 400 at 0:63. And certainly her XC debut at the SEC championships was not flat out.
A final 2:56 K is fine, but is Doris ready to do that after first running five consecutive 3:05’s?👀
I agree, 20 seconds would be a huge gap, difficult to imagine.
Let’s say Jane lays down a 14:52 TiC performance, to Doris’s 15:00; on the Missouri 6k course, that’s approximately a 10sec gap. That makes more sense.
A 14:52 performance at Missouri is roughly 18:30.
A 12 seconds improvement over her first collegiate race is definitely doable on the same course with better competition. She will probably gap the field by 25 seconds when everything is said and done.
Jane is in good company right now for world junior records. I believe she has till end of this year before she would have to compete in senior division.
World Junior records
1 Mile Zola Budd 4:17.57 and Birke Haylom 4:17.13
3000m Zola Budd 8:28.83
2Mile Jane H. 9:17.75
5000m Medina Eisa 14:16.54 (Jane pb = 14:48)
As with many standout juniors there is a chance they will become a top pro and
at least an equal chance they will not. History is littered with top juniors that never rise to the very top as seniors.
I am hoping that Jane has a great career into her 20's but lets take it a step at a time.