Then I will explain it to you. I've been arguing that point with others in the trans community, without much success, since Caster Semenya and other high-T intersex people were winning women's Olympic and World Championship medals (as trans women never have, even under more permissive policies than the current ones).
Of course self-identification doesn't work for women's sports. Obviously it's testosterone, not gender identity, that primarily creates the gap between male and female athletes. Sports governing bodies can and should make policies that acknowledge this. The current World Athletics policy allows for trans women who did not go past Tanner Stage 2 of male puberty to compete with women. The arguments are much the same as for those with CAIS, who are also allowed to compete.
All of this is now beside the point, because the goal of those driving this is not fairness in women's sports (though they find those who do genuinely care about this, but don't see the bigger picture, useful), but to define trans women as men for the purpose of sports as a lever to define them as men (and trans men as women) for all purposes -- to make transition illegal for adults as well as children, as some Republican legislators in Ohio already admit they intend -- to pass laws deeming it felony fraud for a trans woman to so much as state to her employer that she is a woman, as is already a bill in the Texas legislature -- to make it unviable for any trans person who doesn't already pass flawlessly as a cis person of their gender to live their lives, and to leave those in endless fear that they might be outed or their documentation changes might be discovered -- and then to deliver on this fear.
Their goal is evil and should be opposed in every way possible. So, no, I'm not going to add my voice to those using this as a weapon against trans people.
I don’t believe this entire “trans” nonsense. One cannot just decide to change your sex and expect everyone else to support this delusion. I am not familiar with the proposed laws you mentioned, but it certainly seems dishonest for a man to claim he’s a woman to an employer or to anyone else.
Sounds like you're wilfully ignorant.
Trans people have been changing their biological sex via hormones and surgeries, and their legal sex through documentation changes, and their social gender through how they present themselves to others, in a modern way for more than a century. In ways more limited by the scientific and legal situation of the time, they've been doing so for all of human history.
Typical trans activist attitude of denying correct terminology and science while embracing blind ideology.
"Trans activist"? Nope. Just a trans person who wants to live my life and not be dehumanized and discriminated against. Unfortunately, politics is interested in me.
Calling "autogynephilia" science is laughable. It's based on unsupported ad hoc hypotheses and excuses about how everyone who doesn't fit its stereotype-driven model is just lying. No major scientific or medical body takes it seriously.
A baby born to a tribe in the jungles of Africa are either a boy or a girl, nobody is assigning anything. I wasn't assigned a boy, I have a penis, yep......boy.
This whole thing is so damn ridiculous hard to believe it;s actually happening.
Guys thinking they are girls, are you kidding me?
Any guy who needs to take on girls in any sport is a wimp.
It really feels like a lot of your anger on this topic is because you didn't have the opportunity to become your true self when you grew up in the 40s.
You should be happy for people today to not have to hide in the closet and pretend to be tough guys, while calling others sissies as an insult.
I know the end is near for you, but you should really consider visiting a therapist so you don't die an angry, bitter old bigot.
You should get help for actually believing a man can be a woman.
Live your life, call yourself what you want, dress as you like. But you are not a woman, you are another kind of man. So use the men's rooms, not the women's rooms, use the men's locker room, not the women's, play on the men's team, not the women's, and don't expect others to take part in your fantasy.
Trans people have been changing their biological sex via hormones and surgeries, and their legal sex through documentation changes, and their social gender through how they present themselves to others, in a modern way for more than a century. ...
One cannot change one's biological sex. Every cell in a trans woman (MTF) has XY chromosomes. The body has gone through male puberty.
I repeat: it is not possible to change one's biological sex. Sure you may look like a woman, feel like a woman and a lot of people will treat you like a woman. But you are XY in every cell in your body and your skeleton, height ect is what is because of male puberty.
I have a MTF co-worker and she's good at her job so I don't care at all she's trans. I will call her "her" no problem.
But that doesn't change the fact that she is male when it comes to biology.
You can bet Hernandez is thrilled about the attention, hoping it will raise attendance so more people can see him adjust his tucked junk and special lacy socks with silk garters that help him leap farther…
The whole thing is a cruel joke on women and fans, and Hernandez and his nutty mother should be ashamed, but their bloated egos are incapable of registering anything beyond “me, me, me”.
Just watching the way he moves out there makes it obvious he isn’t a girl. Disgusting.
We see this kind of comment on this board all the time.
And then if a trans girl "moves like a girl" then the argument becomes "it's not about how a person moves..." The same thing with "it's not about how the person looks" and "it's not about now the person sounds"...
In WV they had a boy, in the girls class, finish 8th in the shot and 3rd in the disc. Obviously his distance wouldn’t have even made him anywhere near the top throwers on his team, on the male side, let alone the throwers probabaly even the male sprinters could have out threw him as well. Weak distance runners he would probably smoke not gonna lie there.
I thought this was a state to state decision and WV lol , definitely didn’t approve of this but they keep appealing to the right judges and keep stringing this out.
If all the boys in the competition had taken puberty blocker at age 11 and started estrogen supplement at age 14, they would throw as poorly as BPJ.
She was allowed to compete because the 4th circuit decided in her favor. WV governor is appealing this to the Supreme Court, which takes up less than 1% of cases brough to them. Good luck.
Wrong again. Greg Brown, Ph.D. Professor of Exercise Science & Fellow of the American College of Sports Medicine, cites 40 different peer reviewed papers in sports science, physiology or medical related journals showing that trans"women" retain male athletic advantages even with "gender affirming hormone therapy," including testosterone suppression with and without estrogen administration in adults and puberty blockers in children.
just be honest. you're a bunch of LGBTQ haters who want to make trans lives hell in 20 other ways, but the voters didn't sign up for those ideas (eg, bathroom bills, pronouns). so you kept trying stuff and tripped over trans participation in sports. that finally got the reaction you wanted. so you lot of tourists are gonna come queer bash in sports before moving on to some other political issue. you don't really care about sports, and you didn't even care about science until people who took science/genetics 101 in college pointed out the flaws in your basic XX vs. XY presentations.
the fact that your solution for such things is tell the kids to go back in the box they left, then they can exist and play sports, speaks to the political and religious nature of what you are pushing. it's not sport oriented because you really don't care if they get to play unless they cave to your idea of the rules, which does not dignify how they live.
and the girls you hide behind are a prop because you don't care if they are paid equally, raped, or have their reproductive freedom.
Labeling anyone who disagrees with you as an 'LGBTQ hater' is the reason you're losing this argument. It's the same as labelling anyone doesn't want Palestinian children murdered as 'anti Semitic'.
I do care about women's sports. I do support Title IX. I do think the USWNT should get paid more than the men. I do think women's sports should get more equal media coverage. I don't want trans kids to go "go back to the box they left". I do worry trans kids are vulnerable to mental health issues and suicide. I do think trans people deserve dignity, respect and to be celebrated and welcomed by society. I do respect anyone's desired pronouns. I do not 'dead name' trans people.
I just don't think that the women's division in sports should have anything to do with Gender identity. It's about creating a space for those with a hormonal disadvantage. I.e., a hormonal disadvantage that arises from the lack of a Y chromosome.
That doesn't make me a bigot. And do not lecture me on the science, and the "what abouts" and the "exceptions". They go both ways.
Telling me that because I have a daughter, while holding this view is "using her as a prop" is vile and disgusting. Who knows, maybe my daughter will grow up to be trans. If I had a trans child it wouldn't change this view - there are lots of ways for society to welcome, embrace and celebrate trans kids and adults without making girls and women have to be the ones to sacrifice their space for it.
Live your life, call yourself what you want, dress as you like. But you are not a woman, you are another kind of man. So use the men's rooms, not the women's rooms, use the men's locker room, not the women's, play on the men's team, not the women's, and don't expect others to take part in your fantasy.
Just watching the way he moves out there makes it obvious he isn’t a girl. Disgusting.
We see this kind of comment on this board all the time.
And then if a trans girl "moves like a girl" then the argument becomes "it's not about how a person moves..." The same thing with "it's not about how the person looks" and "it's not about now the person sounds"...
Trans people have been changing their biological sex via hormones and surgeries, and their legal sex through documentation changes, and their social gender through how they present themselves to others, in a modern way for more than a century. ...
One cannot change one's biological sex. Every cell in a trans woman (MTF) has XY chromosomes. The body has gone through male puberty.
I repeat: it is not possible to change one's biological sex. Sure you may look like a woman, feel like a woman and a lot of people will treat you like a woman. But you are XY in every cell in your body and your skeleton, height ect is what is because of male puberty.
I have a MTF co-worker and she's good at her job so I don't care at all she's trans. I will call her "her" no problem.
But that doesn't change the fact that she is male when it comes to biology.
Reality is under no obligation to cater to your delusions. Hormone replacement therapy alters biological sex in a variety of ways, including, according to recent research, on the epigenetic level.
Also, many trans women nowadays never went through male puberty.
Great to see the President of the United States taking his time to try and bully a 16 year old child in California and a 13 year old child in West Virginia and there are 3.42 million kids in sports and pretending they are being threated by a handful or trans kids just like there were 230,000 girls competing in college sports and pretending they were threated by 10 trans kids competing, just like it is great to see the Sec of Education threatening to withdrawal all federal funds from a school that doesn't want to use a native America mascot, and picking up immigrants from South american and sending them to black site in the poorest part of Sudan africa, and going on a vendetta tour and and all the other ridiculous BS he's doing that no other president in the history of the US has done. F*** H*m and this BS far right wing site that pretends it's all about track.
Great to see the President of the United States taking his time to try and bully a 16 year old child in California and a 13 year old child in West Virginia and there are 3.42 million kids in sports and pretending they are being threated by a handful or trans kids just like there were 230,000 girls competing in college sports and pretending they were threated by 10 trans kids competing, just like it is great to see the Sec of Education threatening to withdrawal all federal funds from a school that doesn't want to use a native America mascot, and picking up immigrants from South american and sending them to black site in the poorest part of Sudan africa, and going on a vendetta tour and and all the other ridiculous BS he's doing that no other president in the history of the US has done. F*** H*m and this BS far right wing site that pretends it's all about track.
The “child” in CA is 16, looks like an adult male in drag, and honestly has the look of a predator. I would not leave any small child alone with him.
just be honest. you're a bunch of LGBTQ haters who want to make trans lives hell in 20 other ways, but the voters didn't sign up for those ideas (eg, bathroom bills, pronouns). so you kept trying stuff and tripped over trans participation in sports. that finally got the reaction you wanted. so you lot of tourists are gonna come queer bash in sports before moving on to some other political issue. you don't really care about sports, and you didn't even care about science until people who took science/genetics 101 in college pointed out the flaws in your basic XX vs. XY presentations.
the fact that your solution for such things is tell the kids to go back in the box they left, then they can exist and play sports, speaks to the political and religious nature of what you are pushing. it's not sport oriented because you really don't care if they get to play unless they cave to your idea of the rules, which does not dignify how they live.
and the girls you hide behind are a prop because you don't care if they are paid equally, raped, or have their reproductive freedom.
Labeling anyone who disagrees with you as an 'LGBTQ hater' is the reason you're losing this argument. It's the same as labelling anyone doesn't want Palestinian children murdered as 'anti Semitic'.
I do care about women's sports. I do support Title IX. I do think the USWNT should get paid more than the men. I do think women's sports should get more equal media coverage. I don't want trans kids to go "go back to the box they left". I do worry trans kids are vulnerable to mental health issues and suicide. I do think trans people deserve dignity, respect and to be celebrated and welcomed by society. I do respect anyone's desired pronouns. I do not 'dead name' trans people.
I just don't think that the women's division in sports should have anything to do with Gender identity. It's about creating a space for those with a hormonal disadvantage. I.e., a hormonal disadvantage that arises from the lack of a Y chromosome.
That doesn't make me a bigot. And do not lecture me on the science, and the "what abouts" and the "exceptions". They go both ways.
Telling me that because I have a daughter, while holding this view is "using her as a prop" is vile and disgusting. Who knows, maybe my daughter will grow up to be trans. If I had a trans child it wouldn't change this view - there are lots of ways for society to welcome, embrace and celebrate trans kids and adults without making girls and women have to be the ones to sacrifice their space for it.
- Yours sincerely, a liberal progressive.
Thank you! Very cogent, reasonable, fair, and readable! It’s the burden of the true liberal and progressive: being compassionate, fair, reasonable and loving when the “opposition” is entrenched in slogans, name-calling, diversion, projection and transductive “reasoning.”
So the President is addressing the issue by posting online?
Great, you’re the most powerful man in the nation, world really. Don’t just post about it, end it. This is why we voted for you, this issue seems to be getting worse rather than better.