Right now, US embassies across the world have cut services, they are scheduling visa appointments years into the future or simply blocking them and then rejecting visas of all sorts, like the P1A (professional athlete visa).
The system is broken and everybody knows it. But no one wants to fix it.
Luis was brought into the country illegally but he was under the age of criminal responsibility. Under the law It is not possible for a 1-year old to commit a criminal act.
I have no problem deporting those individuals who knowingly broke the law. They understood the risk and were willing to take the chance.
But why send back an adult who has lived here continuously since they were a young.child if they have no criminal record and they are productive members of society. In some cases they may have no personal connection to the country of their birth and might not even speak the language.
Once he reached majority (18) it was his responsibility to either self-deport or apply for legal residency/citizenship.
Instead he relied on the flimsiness of DACA.
So you expect an 18-year old, who might not have even graduated from high school, to self-deport?
It is about illegal immigration. Luis Grivalja arrived illegally. Foreign members of the Rift Valley Cowboys in Stillwater did not.
Luis was brought into the country illegally but he was under the age of criminal responsibility. Under the law It is not possible for a 1-year old to commit a criminal act.
I have no problem deporting those individuals who knowingly broke the law. They understood the risk and were willing to take the chance.
But why send back an adult who has lived here continuously since they were a young.child if they have no criminal record and they are productive members of society. In some cases they may have no personal connection to the country of their birth and might not even speak the language.
I do have some sympathy for Luis and others in his position, but not enforcing the law sets a bad precedent and encourages more illegal immigration.
If parents know that they can just get across the border and their child will be allowed to stay forever, why would they not try? It's like saying if you just possess stolen property long enough it will somehow legally belong to you.
El Salvador became extremely dangerous when the United States started deporting LA gang members there in the 1980s.
Yep, I and I'm sure those gang members were not card-carrying Mayflower descendents. Not exactly helping your case for more third world immigration.
Try at they might, no group of immigrants to the US, legal or illegal, could match the scale of violence and mayhem of the Mayflower "immigrants". Just ask the ACTUAL natives of this continent.
So you expect an 18-year old, who might not have even graduated from high school, to self-deport?
Yes. An 18 year old is an adult. 18 year olds stormed Omaha Beach on 6/6/44.
18 year olds used to not be snowflakes.
18 year old boys are now screen-addicted right wing misogynists who don't know how to talk to girls, are statistically less adventurous and less educated than they have been before, and get triggered sooo easily over non-issues that right-wing media pushes to spark outrage and fear.
So you expect an 18-year old, who might not have even graduated from high school, to self-deport?
Yes. An 18 year old is an adult. 18 year olds stormed Omaha Beach on 6/6/44.
18 year olds used to not be snowflakes.
Yeah, I'm sure that's what you would have done. Picked up in the middle of your senior year and moved to a country where you didn't know anyone and without any means of support.
Yep, I and I'm sure those gang members were not card-carrying Mayflower descendents. Not exactly helping your case for more third world immigration.
Try at they might, no group of immigrants to the US, legal or illegal, could match the scale of violence and mayhem of the Mayflower "immigrants". Just ask the ACTUAL natives of this continent.
Those on the Mayflower were not immigrants, they were settlers. There is a difference between showing up to a barren lawless continent to forge a new life, and coming to an already established county to mooch off of public resources. There were no Food Stamps or Government hotels in 1619 Massachusetts. It's like a guy joining a marathon at mile 25 and saying he participated just as much as everyone else.
The Native Americans were not an idealic and peace loving people like your public school textbook described. They treated each other in ways that would make a medival tourture dungeon master cringe. Ripping the beating hearts out of children, skinning people alive, murdering entire villages. They lived as a violent conquering people that were still stuck in the stone age while Europeans had printing presses and universities.
They met a superior society that they could not bully, and died as they lived. Everyone who lives on this continent today reaps the benefits of their society being over and done with.
Let me put it more directly: if you are Black and proud, you are a racist. I have no problem with that.
There's an important difference you're missing: Being proud of one's history of resistance to racist oppression does not entail wanting to dominate anyone; it's about wanting to be free, and it always entails wanting others to be free from the kinds of domination and oppression your own people suffered.
Being proud of one's history of racial and civilizational dominance, on the other hand, typically entails a desire to reinforce or reconstitute that dominance-- the furthest thing from wanting freedom for everyone.
This is why people respond to "white identity" politics in places like the US and Europe differently than they do to other racial identity politics, and why your take is so profoundly stupid. Your assertion of racial identity conjures the specters of colonialism, slavery, and genocide, whilst an African American's assertion of racial identity evokes an heroic, centuries-long freedom struggle that was and is a beacon to the world.
Your type don't just want to be left alone to enjoy your "whiteness" (which no one is stopping your from doing); you want whiteness to be the official race of your country. What you need to learn is how to be like everyone else in society: a minority.
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Yes. An 18 year old is an adult. 18 year olds stormed Omaha Beach on 6/6/44.
18 year olds used to not be snowflakes.
Yeah, I'm sure that's what you would have done. Picked up in the middle of your senior year and moved to a country where you didn't know anyone and without any means of support.
Let me put it more directly: if you are Black and proud, you are a racist. I have no problem with that.
There's an important difference you're missing: Being proud of one's history of resistance to racist oppression does not entail wanting to dominate anyone; it's about wanting to be free, and it always entails wanting others to be free from the kinds of domination and oppression your own people suffered.
Being proud of one's history of racial and civilizational dominance, on the other hand, typically entails a desire to reinforce or reconstitute that dominance-- the furthest thing from wanting freedom for everyone.
This is why people respond to "white identity" politics in places like the US and Europe differently than they do to other racial identity politics, and why your take is so profoundly stupid. Your assertion of racial identity conjures the specters of colonialism, slavery, and genocide, whilst an African American's assertion of racial identity evokes an heroic, centuries-long freedom struggle that was and is a beacon to the world.
Your type don't just want to be left alone to enjoy your "whiteness" (which no one is stopping your from doing); you want whiteness to be the official race of your country. What you need to learn is how to be like everyone else in society: a minority.
What I want is a White-only country in which my people can live free of oppression.
Since that is not realistic at the moment, I will settle for securing the border of my temporary home.
Just because I was born in a sty, it doesn't make me a pig.
Let me put it more directly: if you are Black and proud, you are a racist. I have no problem with that.
Your type don't just want to be left alone to enjoy your "whiteness" (which no one is stopping your from doing); you want whiteness to be the official race of your country. What you need to learn is how to be like everyone else in society: a minority.
Actually, I think that is exactly what most anti-immigration people like myself want: to be left alone.
It is not my fault that some people seem to be incapable of building functional societies. That does not give them a right to invade mine and make it look like where they came from. You were the one who invoked this idea of an "official race" to make us sound extreme. Does Japan have an official race? Does Kenya? Does Hati? Does Mongolia? No, it is just not considered controversial for Japan to be made up of Jappanese, or Kenya to be made up of Kenyans, and so on.
It is only when a white country says they want to preserve their corner of the world, everyone freaks out and starts invoking the Nazis. We have seen what happens when white people become minorities. Look at South Africa and Zimbabwe. That is not the future I want for my children and grandchildren, and I will fight as hard as I can legally to prevent it.
Try at they might, no group of immigrants to the US, legal or illegal, could match the scale of violence and mayhem of the Mayflower "immigrants". Just ask the ACTUAL natives of this continent.
Those on the Mayflower were not immigrants, they were settlers. There is a difference between showing up to a barren lawless continent to forge a new life, and coming to an already established county to mooch off of public resources. There were no Food Stamps or Government hotels in 1619 Massachusetts. It's like a guy joining a marathon at mile 25 and saying he participated just as much as everyone else.
The Native Americans were not an idealic and peace loving people like your public school textbook described. They treated each other in ways that would make a medival tourture dungeon master cringe. Ripping the beating hearts out of children, skinning people alive, murdering entire villages. They lived as a violent conquering people that were still stuck in the stone age while Europeans had printing presses and universities.
They met a superior society that they could not bully, and died as they lived. Everyone who lives on this continent today reaps the benefits of their society being over and done with.
Thanks for the pristine rendering of the modern colonial mentality.
There was nothing "barren or lawless" about the vast majority of pre-conquest North American. It was populated by self-governing peoples, often with very sophisticated political/diplomatic arrangements (see e.g. the Iroquois Confederacy). Meanwhile, early modern Europe was a welter of violent exploitation, war, and religious persecution. It's civilizational accomplishments (art and science) were distinctly minority affairs. What do you think drove those early settlers to undertake such a perilous journey in the first place!?
Early modern Europe had very little to teach indigenous north Americans about how to live, and their behavior upon arrival is the best proof of that.
Your type don't just want to be left alone to enjoy your "whiteness" (which no one is stopping your from doing); you want whiteness to be the official race of your country. What you need to learn is how to be like everyone else in society: a minority.
Actually, I think that is exactly what most anti-immigration people like myself want: to be left alone.
It is not my fault that some people seem to be incapable of building functional societies. That does not give them a right to invade mine and make it look like where they came from. You were the one who invoked this idea of an "official race" to make us sound extreme. Does Japan have an official race? Does Kenya? Does Hati? Does Mongolia? No, it is just not considered controversial for Japan to be made up of Jappanese, or Kenya to be made up of Kenyans, and so on.
It is only when a white country says they want to preserve their corner of the world, everyone freaks out and starts invoking the Nazis. We have seen what happens when white people become minorities. Look at South Africa and Zimbabwe. That is not the future I want for my children and grandchildren, and I will fight as hard as I can legally to prevent it.
Sorry, but dominant race identitarianism IS a problem in other places, and is called out by the oppressed in those places as such. Just ask an Indian Dalit or Muslim these days. I was talking about white identity politics in the US and Europe, because that was your frame of reference, but I could have been referring to other places with histories of ethnic, racial, or religious domination.
But then you immediately contradict your disavowal of wanting your race to remain the official, dominant one in your country. You DO precisely want this, but you cover for it by claiming that you only want to preserve your "culture" and majority status in your particular locale. But white identity politics writ large in the US is a clear recipe for violent exclusion and oppression, not simply a plea to be left alone to practice "whiteness" in peace. There is thus a big difference between white racial identity and that of people who have suffered oppression in the US. THEY want to be free; YOU want to dominate and define.
