A woman would not get a TUE for testosterone replacement therapy that is designed to correct a male deficiency.
An ordinary woman wouldn't be granted a TUE for testosterone replacement therapy originally designed to correct a male deficiency. But a woman who claims to have a special gender identity could get one.
Cal Calamia, a female American distance runner who identifies as "trans non-binary" like Hiltz does and is aroudn the same age, got a TUE from USADA last fall that allows Calamia to take weekly T injections to obtain and retain a serum T level in the normal adult male range.
Although Calamia was born with a normal female endocrine and reproductive system and has always enjoyed excellent physical health, Calamia was able to get a TUE for high-dose testosterone on the grounds that it's "medically necessary, life-saving treatement" due to Calamia's gender identity issues and desire to have a body that reflects Calamia's view of Calamiaself as "nonbinary trans masculine."
Calamia sees the naturally low T levels of female people like Calamiaself and Hiltz as a dire, debilitating health condition comparable to hypogonadism in men with missing, faulty, underdeveloped, diseased or otherwise underfuctioning testes.
However, so far Calamia is only using the TUE to compete in the open, men's and nonbinary category.
Now you got me really confused. So, Calamia who supposedly has a TUE for "high-dose testosterone" doesn't or does compete in a women's division?
What I don't understand is that Hiltz is competing in the women's division of the highest level of competition. Why would she be allowed to take the most important hormone for a male & be allowed to compete against biological women? 🤔
Huh? I used the phrase “keep saying” in reference to the three separate times on this thread you made the same erroneous claim that there’s currently a 5 nmol/L limit on the amount of natural testosterone that Hiltz and other athletes competing in the women’s category are allowed to have. See for yourself:
In post #9 at 07/01/2024 1:08am EDT you said: Under the rules she [Hiltz] cannot have a T level that exceeds 5nmol.
In post #29 07/01/2024 9:08am EDT you said: The higher t-level limit of 5nmol was simply set for women who have naturally elevated levels
In post 30 at 07/01/2024 9:23am EDT you said: The rules I refer to apply to athletes with XY disorders of sexual development competing in the female category. The 5nmol level set for them is above the level that female athletes would naturally attain so there isn't a limit set for cis-females.
I’m glad that in a more recent post you graciously took on board the info I shared countering what you claimed earilier about both the level of natural T allowed, and which athletes in the women’s category the limit on natural T applies to. But I really don’t see the point in pretending you didn’t say what you kept saying earlier on.
At any rate, sorry for causing offense. It wasn't what I was aiming to do.
My main point was that the level of testosterone in biological females is below the limit imposed on DSD athletes competing as women. It would still appear to be the case with the reduced limit. As far as I can tell T-levels in women's sport have only been an issue with DSD competitors.
That is separate from the fact that the use of exogenous testosterone is banned for both men and women. I am not familiar with the extent it would affect the t-levels in women and how apparent this might be on their bio-passport. Quite a few of the banned female Russian athletes used it as part of their doping "cocktail".
Does WADA use the 4:1 T/E for women also?
For men, that's the marker every sample is tested for. If a man breaches that level, the sample is then checked by the Carbon Isotope Ratio test (CIR) - the only test that can distinguish between naturally occurring cholesterol-based testosterone & synthetic plant-derive testosterone.
My main point was that the level of testosterone in biological females is below the limit imposed on DSD athletes competing as women. It would still appear to be the case with the reduced limit. As far as I can tell T-levels in women's sport have only been an issue with DSD competitors.
That is separate from the fact that the use of exogenous testosterone is banned for both men and women. I am not familiar with the extent it would affect the t-levels in women and how apparent this might be on their bio-passport. Quite a few of the banned female Russian athletes used it as part of their doping "cocktail".
Does WADA use the 4:1 T/E for women also?
For men, that's the marker every sample is tested for. If a man breaches that level, the sample is then checked by the Carbon Isotope Ratio test (CIR) - the only test that can distinguish between naturally occurring cholesterol-based testosterone & synthetic plant-derive testosterone.
An ordinary woman wouldn't be granted a TUE for testosterone replacement therapy originally designed to correct a male deficiency. But a woman who claims to have a special gender identity could get one.
Cal Calamia, a female American distance runner who identifies as "trans non-binary" like Hiltz does and is aroudn the same age, got a TUE from USADA last fall that allows Calamia to take weekly T injections to obtain and retain a serum T level in the normal adult male range.
Although Calamia was born with a normal female endocrine and reproductive system and has always enjoyed excellent physical health, Calamia was able to get a TUE for high-dose testosterone on the grounds that it's "medically necessary, life-saving treatement" due to Calamia's gender identity issues and desire to have a body that reflects Calamia's view of Calamiaself as "nonbinary trans masculine."
Calamia sees the naturally low T levels of female people like Calamiaself and Hiltz as a dire, debilitating health condition comparable to hypogonadism in men with missing, faulty, underdeveloped, diseased or otherwise underfuctioning testes.
However, so far Calamia is only using the TUE to compete in the open, men's and nonbinary category.
Now you got me really confused. So, Calamia who supposedly has a TUE for "high-dose testosterone" doesn't or does compete in a women's division?
What I don't understand is that Hiltz is competing in the women's division of the highest level of competition. Why would she be allowed to take the most important hormone for a male & be allowed to compete against biological women? 🤔
I guess you didn't read my whole post. The last line says:
so far Calamia is only using the TUE to compete in the open, men's and nonbinary category.
For men, that's the marker every sample is tested for. If a man breaches that level, the sample is then checked by the Carbon Isotope Ratio test (CIR) - the only test that can distinguish between naturally occurring cholesterol-based testosterone & synthetic plant-derive testosterone.
Yes
Okay Bob...is it the same 4:1 ratio? For men 1:1 to 1.5:1 is normal. Outliers are seen at 3:1. At >4:1 here comes the CIR test 😬 (do you remember in the old days the cutoff use to be a whopping 6:1? Lol).
Now you got me really confused. So, Calamia who supposedly has a TUE for "high-dose testosterone" doesn't or does compete in a women's division?
What I don't understand is that Hiltz is competing in the women's division of the highest level of competition. Why would she be allowed to take the most important hormone for a male & be allowed to compete against biological women? 🤔
I guess you didn't read my whole post. The last line says:
so far Calamia is only using the TUE to compete in the open, men's and nonbinary category.
Well...excuse me for living RunRagged. I didn't know - I thought "open" applies to the women's division as well.
I'm still confused - if Hiltz is using TRT or any of that stuff, why is she allowed to compete in the women's division? Are the other women okay with this or has there been some complaints & push-back?
And if she's not using TRT or any male hormones for that fact - then what's the big deal here? Why was a thread even made on the subject? 🤔
I guess you didn't read my whole post. The last line says:
so far Calamia is only using the TUE to compete in the open, men's and nonbinary category.
Well...excuse me for living RunRagged. I didn't know - I thought "open" applies to the women's division as well.
I'm still confused - if Hiltz is using TRT or any of that stuff, why is she allowed to compete in the women's division? Are the other women okay with this or has there been some complaints & push-back?
And if she's not using TRT or any male hormones for that fact - then what's the big deal here? Why was a thread even made on the subject? 🤔
A thread was made because it generates clicks. Is anyone dumb enough to think you can call yourself nonbinary and it lets you start doping? That is a stretch. Heck last Olympic cycle there was the story of the transman who was putting off taking test until their competitive career was over.
Honestly, I do not believe Nikki would risk that knowing they would be under great scrutiny. Hiltz was always a very talented and strong runner. They struggled while in college, I imagine due to their internal battle coming to terms with their sexuality and gender dysphoria. You would be surprised how much something can weigh down performance. After all, running is 90% mental.
People are saying their body appears more masculine, I completely disagree. Colleen Quigley’s body looks exactly the same aside from being longer due to her height.
I will say Nikki lost me with their hypocrisy in believing trans-women should be able to compete against biological women, when they themselves will not compete against biological men. Lead by example if you want to promote advocacy and show it to “the man”
I grew up with gender dysphoria and my suspicions is not out of bigotry. I thought they just looked more boyish than usual almost like Galen Rupp and I think it is ok to have some level of suspicion for someone to run a 3:55. All great performances should welcome some level of suspicion.
The mass doping is strong with the americans. Thered be no track and field there,if they all got caught.
There was a trans hammer thrower a few years back- Keelin Godsey- who said straight out he couldn’t start taking T and beginning transition until he turned in his retirement papers to WADA because any T supplementation was an anti-doping violation.
There was also an Olympic male curler from like the late 90s/early 00s who got turned down for a TUE for T from WADA after he’d lost his balled to testicular cancer.
The brojos or gault need to ask Nikki point blank whether they have any TUEs or take any type of hormones via prescription.
"An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone."
Nikki 100% has a TUE for this.
I don't believe you are allowed to get a TUE for a hormone because of your gender identity.
The quote above "An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone." .
A therapeutic use exemption (TUE), also known as a temporary use exemption, is a term created in 1991 and refers to an official medical document. The document gives an athlete permission to take a medication listed on the Wor...
"An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone."
Nikki 100% has a TUE for this.
I don't believe you are allowed to get a TUE for a hormone because of your gender identity.
The quote above "An example of a TUE is the World Anti-Doping Agency's exemption for testosterone replacement therapy. The average for a normal functioning male is a 1:1 ratio, but WADA allows up to a 4:1 ratio without testing positive for elevated testosterone." .
The focus of this thread is on testosterone supplementation and whether it's legal for Hiltz. I don't know what the rules are for trans so I don't have an opinion on that.
However, I'm pretty knowledgeable about supplements. There are supplements that suppress estrogens.
If I recall correctly, reducing estrogens increases the amount of available testosterone. Thus, these supplements would be a logical, legal, inexpensive step. My nutritionist could probably list 3-4 supplements to do this.
If Hiltz is working with a doctor who is knowledgeable in supplements, Hiltz is probably taking one or more of these supplements, which are legal and don't require a prescription.
I'm going off memory here so if you want to get more accurate information, you should research it yourself.
