One of the dumbest things I have ever read on this forum. 8:00 is great but to say it is comparable to 7:54 is insane.
You aren't very good at basic arithmetic, are you? The world marks indoors for the 1500 (held by Jakob) and the mile are over 4 seconds slower than the outdoor marks. On that basis the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 8 seconds slower. But Kerr's record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is in Ingebrigtsen's outdoor ball-park.
The indoor 3k record is only 3 seconds slower than the outdoor record. On that basis, the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 3 seconds slower. But Kerr’s record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is not in Ingebrigtsen’s outdoor ball-park.
Anyone can cherry-pick to prove a point. Your “arithmetic” doesn’t mean anything. The fact is that no serious fan of the sport considers 8:00 remotely comparable to 7:54. Josh Kerr doesn’t either, but you clearly know better than him.
You aren't very good at basic arithmetic, are you? The world marks indoors for the 1500 (held by Jakob) and the mile are over 4 seconds slower than the outdoor marks. On that basis the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 8 seconds slower. But Kerr's record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is in Ingebrigtsen's outdoor ball-park.
The indoor 3k record is only 3 seconds slower than the outdoor record. On that basis, the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 3 seconds slower. But Kerr’s record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is not in Ingebrigtsen’s outdoor ball-park.
Anyone can cherry-pick to prove a point. Your “arithmetic” doesn’t mean anything. The fact is that no serious fan of the sport considers 8:00 remotely comparable to 7:54. Josh Kerr doesn’t either, but you clearly know better than him.
Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
You get dumber every day. You do not account for the fact that no one races indoors when they're truly peaked. Of course the records will be way slower. Seb Coe's PB was set in march for god's sake. Jakob's indoor 1500 record was set in february.... Just stop talking.
The indoor 3k record is only 3 seconds slower than the outdoor record. On that basis, the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 3 seconds slower. But Kerr’s record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is not in Ingebrigtsen’s outdoor ball-park.
Anyone can cherry-pick to prove a point. Your “arithmetic” doesn’t mean anything. The fact is that no serious fan of the sport considers 8:00 remotely comparable to 7:54. Josh Kerr doesn’t either, but you clearly know better than him.
Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
This thread is confirmation that the average running fan isn't very bright. The fact is that most of you are little different from Taylor Swift or Kanye West fans; your running heroes are your "pop stars".
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Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
You get dumber every day. You do not account for the fact that no one races indoors when they're truly peaked. Of course the records will be way slower. Seb Coe's PB was set in march for god's sake. Jakob's indoor 1500 record was set in february.... Just stop talking.
Jakob holds two world records indoors - the 1500m and the 2k. So he wasn't "peaking" to achieve those records, they just happened as part of his off season training? (He probably wasn't even training when he set them). That must explain why his indoor times are nowhere near as fast as his outdoor times. Same when Seb Coe set his 800m indoor records (and Kipketer), not to mention the other great athletes who set both indoor and outdoor marks. By the same token, it is obvious Kerr hasn't peaked either - he just happened to set a record indoors like Jakob and all those other guys. Wait till he gets outdoors. You running fans are absolute ph*qing morons.
Kerr "peaked" to beat Jakob at the world's last year; he will likely seek to peak again at Paris. He won't have been aiming to be at his absolute best at this time of the year. Only a fool would suggest he can't run any faster than his indoor record. He is in undeniably great form - already. The fact is he now holds a world mark that Jakob doesn't have - over Jakob's distance. He's thrown down the gauntlet.
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You get dumber every day. You do not account for the fact that no one races indoors when they're truly peaked. Of course the records will be way slower. Seb Coe's PB was set in march for god's sake. Jakob's indoor 1500 record was set in february.... Just stop talking.
Jakob holds two world records indoors - the 1500m and the 2k. So he wasn't "peaking" to achieve those records, they just happened as part of his off season training? (He probably wasn't even training when he set them). That must explain why his indoor times are nowhere near as fast as his outdoor times. Same when Seb Coe set his 800m indoor records (and Kipketer), not to mention the other great athletes who set both indoor and outdoor marks. By the same token, it is obvious Kerr hasn't peaked either - he just happened to set a record indoors like Jakob and all those other guys. Wait till he gets outdoors. You running fans are absolute ph*qing morons.
Jakob is not the indoor world record holder over 2000m. Maybe get the basic facts straight before calling others “absolute ph*qing morons” lol
There are a lot of Americans and UK runners who are a tiny bit behind them 6 months before the games.
Nordas could be in the mix. Habz just took the indoor NR.
Of course, a couple will get injured before August and some big names will not qualify for the final.
I would not bet my life on anyone making the podium. It s more open than ever. I tend to think that the only thing on the cards is that we are in for some big surprises.
Exactly El geuerroj would have run 323 with the shoe technology today, Bekele probably 1230 and sub 26.
EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY DAMN IT!!!
All these dumb-ass 2024 modern day irradiated folks of America and the planet earth thinking 'athletics or track and field is getting lit' really has never followed the sport long enough!!!
Guys like me, Khamis, and Rojo and all have been around since 1980s, we the best experts around, we have been through the generations of distance runners, we are IN THE KNOW and we know that 2024's generation of athletes as the MOST SCREWED UP in terms of physiology, mental aptitude, EQ, aerobic strength and endurance. Of course the same can be said to various extents for football, baseball and every other facet of existence of human life on earth due to exponentially increasing anthropogenic RF and EMF exposure!!!
Period!
Thank you, El G indeed would have been 3:23 on supershoes, supertracks, superwavelights, zero 4G+ and 5G, zero WiFi, zero Global Positioning Satellite radionavigation, zero bluetooth, zero electrical power grid, zero mobile phones and every other digital electronic device with only the sun, sand, sea, wind, trails, mud, hills, earth, grass as company!!!
Bekele as well 12:29 and 25:59. Remember Bekele gave an interview on youtube recently that his 26:17 WR in 2005 was attended by injury after injury. He didn't train well for that race but managed to WING IT with his talent. He explicitly mentioned that he would have gotten under 26minutes had he not been injured and trained well!!!
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Forget it, I already said it so clearly 2 weeks ago that Jakob with an Achilles Injury 5 months out from the Paris 1500m final is GAME OVER GAME OVER GAME OVER GAME OVER!!!
Why am I so insistent??? Because I do not have blind affection for Jakob like dear Rojo, I know how to moderate my affection and prioritize rational/logic/reason! 5 months is too short to make that Achilles the same as ever, if at all!!! The bullish outlook of Jakob's physiotherapist regarding his Achilles recovery is obviously intended to soothe Jakob's fans and supporters. SCAR TISSUE CHANGES THE ACHILLES TENDON FOREVER! I don't give a damn about how all the physiotherapists in the world can skillfully bring an athlete back to high-performance shape, THE ACHILLES IS STILL NOT THE SAME NOT THE SAME NOT THE SAME!!!!
NOT THE SAME = NOT AS STRONG, NOT AS RESPONSIVE, NOT AS POTENT etc!
What do you folks expect Jakob's physiotherapist to say to us all and the Norwegian Media?? That it's game over or Armageddon?? Obviously not right??? Physiotherapist has a duty to his/her athlete, his fans/supporters and even if he/she needs to tell a white lie, or, push the limit of reason as far as possible, he/she needs to be as DIPLOMATIC AS POSSIBLE in his/her outlook and prognosis of recovery!
It's quite obvious damn it! If I were Jakob's Physiotherapist, I WOULD DO AND SAY THE SAME DAMN THING DAMN IT!!! But YET, the Achilles is still not the same not the same not the same which a dutiful and loyal physiotherapist will try very hard not to say to suggest.
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Look, you had better shut your damn mouth right now and tell me your bad name!!!
Kerr in 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 was never gonna run a world record and win at any distance event WHILE HITCHING A RIDE much less WHILE RUNNING SOLO ALL THE WAY, which means what Kerr has done in 2024 today, which is run a world record and win at the same time while hitching a ride, IS A SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT OF FORM AND SHAPE FROM 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023!!!!!
Do you understand dear????
This is why Jakob should stay wide awake and now take Kerr seriously if he hasn't already done so!!!
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I'm so glad one of you has finally awoken from your slumber OMG!!!!
The stars are now aligned for Josh Kerr in particular to claim Olympic Gold in Paris Amen!!!
Amen amen amen!!!!
Scar tissue changes the Achilles ETERNALLY, I don't give a damn about your physiotherapist skills, it ain't gonna matter at all!!!! Jakob's physiotherapist outlook of >97% full recovery is more placebo (psychological) than physical!!!!! It's just BS, it ain't never the same no more!!!!!!
Kerr's running style is very deceptively powerful. He is nearly twice as large as the tiny Grant Fisher, but he manages to haul himself around the track and propel himself forwards more gracefully and beautifully mechanically than Grant who has more inferior biomechanics!!! In the 2 mile race today under NYC's 5G irradiation atmosphere, Kerr technique slipped up a little over the final mile and that's to be expected due to nervous system interference from 5G RF!!!! But his diet, his nutrition is what held his technique together if 5G was taking it apart!!
Nuguse is another terrible biomechanical runner, not sure how long he can last at the top with this kind of porous running technique!!!
Obviously an amazing time but not as amazing as Ingebrigtsen. To further add indoor hardly makes a difference at that distance unless you factor in the decreased air quality. The angle of the track pretty much factors in. It's 7:54 vs 8:00 maybe 7:58 at best. Yakob is best.
YES!!! The air quality indoors is horrifying, some come with mold and fungus, some with formeldyhe, some with volatile organic compounds, perfumes and fragrances, a little cigarette puff here and there!!! It's much better to run outdoors with fresh air so I would say Kerr is right around 7:58. He said he felt it in the 2nd mile which must be due to a combination of NYC's 5G RF and the bad indoor air quality!!!
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Sound like this is the best period where European/Americans can take their hands on the mile since their favorite distance and their chances at higher distances are small because of the non adapted body structure. Before the next North African prodigy appear and he will appear without prompt and none of the doping theories will explain his results.
Amen amen amen to that dear Armstrong. I love your timely comment here!!!
Indeed, I would love to convert kerr's 8 flat 2 mile indoors to 7:50 outdoors lol!!! I'm kidding, but I reckon at least a 7:58 right???
I mean a big guy like Kerr, he looks so damn huge compared to tiny Grant Fisher lol, should be given more generous conversion factors from indoor to outdoor due to his size!!! To run 8 flat this huge a man on a tiny indoor 200m oval albeit in supershoes has got to be at least 7:56 outdoors no?
The indoor 3k record is only 3 seconds slower than the outdoor record. On that basis, the indoor 2 mile mark should be around 3 seconds slower. But Kerr’s record is 6 seconds slower. That easily suggests he is not in Ingebrigtsen’s outdoor ball-park.
Anyone can cherry-pick to prove a point. Your “arithmetic” doesn’t mean anything. The fact is that no serious fan of the sport considers 8:00 remotely comparable to 7:54. Josh Kerr doesn’t either, but you clearly know better than him.
Kerr isn't going to say his record is worth the same until he takes it.
But the undeniable fact is that there is a considerable differential across the board between indoor and outdoor records - and many great runners held both. An example was Coe, who ran 1:41.7 for the 800 outdoors and 1:44.9 indoors. That's over 3 seconds difference at that distance (which is a quarter of the distance Kerr ran to set his record). The differential for the 1500/mile records is over 4 seconds. The logical inference is that Kerr's mark is therefore worth much more than 8:00 outdoors and quite likely 5-6 seconds. That isn't cherry-picking. But your comparing the 3k records is, which don't fit the historical trend for these events.
you really don't understand the sport. have you ever run or coached at a competitive level? not that that is necessarily a prerequisite for understanding. but it might help.