Am I understanding this: Israel was founded by people simply moving to an already inhabited place and declaring it to be theirs?

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1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:23pm EDT

re: valjean

valjean wrote:
learn the history wrote:
You may want to go back to the years 66 to 135 and read up on the Jewish-Roman Wars.
If we're going to go that far back, why not go all the way back to when Israelites took the land from the miscellaneous tribes that lived in the area?
OP, yes that is basically what happened. America and Britain owed Jewish scientists for WWI/WWII and wanted a foothold in the ME, so they created Israel

Owed Jewish scientists for WWI/WWII? I don't think "Jewish scientists" won the war...

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1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:30pm EDT

re: r u retarded

r u retarded wrote:
valjean wrote:
If we're going to go that far back, why not go all the way back to when Israelites took the land from the miscellaneous tribes that lived in the area?
OP, yes that is basically what happened. America and Britain owed Jewish scientists for WWI/WWII and wanted a foothold in the ME, so they created Israel
Owed Jewish scientists for WWI/WWII? I don't think "Jewish scientists" won the war...

They helped a lot - Weizmann was instrumental in WWI (and used his clout to advance Zionism, resulting in the Balfour Declaration) and Fermi, von Neumann, Wigner, Szilard, et al were instrumental in WWII

1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:38pm EDT

re: Hot Takes

Hot Takes wrote:
From what I understand this recent escalation was because Hamas did a very large bombardment on Israel all in one day and killed roughly 1,200 people all at once. So then Israel responded in a similar or a little bit stronger way. Don't poke the bear. Also, you can see the borders of the surrounding countries, Israel is the majority of the land not claimed by the other countries, the size of Gaza and West Bank are not very big. I don't think they should be bombing the group that controls the majority of that area, it's not going to end well. Why are we supposed to feel bad for Gaza since they started this recent escalation?

Nobody does except leftist d!psh!ts and Jew obsessed failures.

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1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:44pm EDT

re: valjean

valjean wrote:
r u retarded wrote:
Owed Jewish scientists for WWI/WWII? I don't think "Jewish scientists" won the war...
They helped a lot - Weizmann was instrumental in WWI (and used his clout to advance Zionism, resulting in the Balfour Declaration) and Fermi, von Neumann, Wigner, Szilard, et al were instrumental in WWII

I have discussed Balfour. How did Balfour win Great War or WW1 as you call it? How did Zionist Movement win Great War?

1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:48pm EDT

re: Whatta Say!

Whatta Say! wrote:
Impartial economic reality wrote:
They moved to a place with few inhabitants. Bought up large tracts of land. Made dramatic improvements to the land (drained malarial filled swamps) and brought industry to the region. Established a Democracy, and Defended their territory from multiple attempts to eradicate their existence.
Land constantly changes hands In the world. Where I live has been controlled by multiple Indian tribes, has been uninhabited, was part of Spain, part of Mexico and is now the US. The current governance of this land likely affords me the best standard of living this land has ever seen.
The same can likely be said for the Palestinians who live or work in Israel. Several hundred thousand cross into Israel each day to work in Israel and earn a far better living than individuals living in surrounding countries (per capita income PPP is greater than 10 times what it is in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc.). Unfortunately the terrorist Hamas government in Gaza threatens the livelihoods of those Palestinians who wish to live and work in peace and share in the fruits of industry provided by the Jewish inhabitants. Israel has the second best per capita income of the entire Middle East (and they have it without oil money, so it is broadly shared, as opposed to the middle eastern kingdoms where the opulently wealthy that control the oil revenue toss breadcrumbs to the lower classes). The Israeli Democracy can serve as a beacon of hope for the Middle East if the surrounding nations can learn it is in their best interest to live in peace.
Someone doesn't know what the F they are talking about. The Palestinians were forceablly removed from their homes at gunpoint in 1948 and forced to live in the Gaza and West Bank. Israel has continued to settle the land that they forced them to live in. They have been taking land and killing Palestine for 75 years. Not to mention all the murders they committed during biblical times.

You forgot to mention that fact that it was the Arab nations that immediately attacked Israel when they declared Israel an independent state in 1948. The UN had approved a two state solution dividing the Region of Palestine into a Jewish state and Arab state. Both Arabs and Jews (and Christians) were living in the region.
The Jews successfully defended themselves and yes many Arabs were forced out of Israel or they left on their own.. but many also remained. In fact over 20% of Israel are Arabs ( Palestinian Arabs).
Thousand upon thousand of Palestinians work, live and vote in Israel. They are not being forced off their land.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:54pm EDT

re: See Ottoman Empire ...

See Ottoman Empire ... wrote:
valjean wrote:
They helped a lot - Weizmann was instrumental in WWI (and used his clout to advance Zionism, resulting in the Balfour Declaration) and Fermi, von Neumann, Wigner, Szilard, et al were instrumental in WWII
I have discussed Balfour. How did Balfour win Great War or WW1 as you call it? How did Zionist Movement win Great War?

The Balfour Declaration and the advancement of Zionism were not causes of Weizmann's success in WWI aka the Great War. They resulted from his success. Britain's gov't never would have issued the Balfour Declaration if Weizmann had not contributed to the war effort

1 year ago 10/27/2023 1:55pm EDT

re: Badcompany

The Jews went to a place surrounded by Countries unfriendly to them, Hitler wanted to send them to a huge beautiful Island Country surrounded by water with year round good Weather (Madagascar), just like the British sent people unpopular in Britain (Criminals and critics of Government) to A large Island Country (Australia) a few centuries ago. in retrospect Madagascar was the better location for Jews. Personally I would rather be on a country/Island surrounded by Water, then be surrounded by Countries with Millions of people who hate me and many want to kill me

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:05pm EDT

re: Newname

Newname wrote:
Newname wrote:
Video:www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3h3S3zQYwo
Seems many of the Israelis killed on 10/7 and 10/8 were killed by the Israeli military.
Per eyewitness testimony of survivors
Link:mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-numbe...

Found the holocaust denier.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:13pm EDT

re: Impartial Economic Reality

Impartial Economic Reality wrote:
Newname wrote:
Seems many of the Israelis killed on 10/7 and 10/8 were killed by the Israeli military.
Per eyewitness testimony of survivors
Link:mondoweiss.net/2023/10/a-growing-numbe...
Found the holocaust denier.

You should be banned!

He or she said nothing close to what you are accusing. Call someone an anti-Zionist if the bulk of someone's writing indicates.

You failed to discuss in good faith. You need to be banned.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:13pm EDT

re: douglas burke

douglas burke wrote:
The Jews went to a place surrounded by Countries unfriendly to them, Hitler wanted to send them to a huge beautiful Island Country surrounded by water with year round good Weather (Madagascar), just like the British sent people unpopular in Britain (Criminals and critics of Government) to A large Island Country (Australia) a few centuries ago. in retrospect Madagascar was the better location for Jews. Personally I would rather be on a country/Island surrounded by Water, then be surrounded by Countries with Millions of people who hate me and many want to kill me

Would that have been before or after he killed them all?

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:17pm EDT

re: flip my wig

flip my wig wrote:
Why do the towns in the US have British, Dutch, Spanish, French, Portuguese...... names?
The natives must have named them.

And does that have anything to do with this being less bad? Duh, colonialism was pretty awful on natives around the world.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:22pm EDT

re: See Ottoman Empire ...

See Ottoman Empire ... wrote:
Impartial Economic Reality wrote:
Found the holocaust denier.
You should be banned!
He or she said nothing close to what you are accusing. Call someone an anti-Zionist if the bulk of someone's writing indicates.
You failed to discuss in good faith. You need to be banned.

Actually, you may not know this, but Newname is, in fact, a holocaust denier. He has stated as much hundreds of timew on dozens of threads. Not your fault if you don't know this.

It is also true that the website link provided by the known holocaust denier, (Newname = Carmine = K5 = ...), mondoweiss.net is substantially funded by Ron Unz, an out in the open holocaust denier.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:23pm EDT

re: always was and is

always was and is wrote:
how do you think nearly every country/kingdom has come about?
people, animals, plants, bacteria etc. all fight over the limited natural resources in their environment

We‘re theoretically slightly smarter than bacteria. Unlike other species, we‘re aware of the greater effects of our actions and the ability to empathize was selected for in our history. So maybe we should try to limit the amount of times we wipe out, displace, or inflict mass suffering on an entire population.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:33pm EDT

re: W T Fvckleberry?!?

Some people get frustrated in these type of debates.

Some use anti-Zionist and Holocaust Denier when frustrated in a debate. In some countries, Holocaust Denier is a felony. When accusing anyone of a felony, more evidence is needed.

Debating October, 2023 death totals could be a legit question to ask. October, 2023 death numbers does not take the debate to 1944 central Europe death rates.

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:38pm EDT

re: See Ottoman Empire ...

See Ottoman Empire ... wrote:
KaareV wrote:
What a remarkable display of ignorance in this thread. Please read some history books over there. The closing of the American Mind. Just a reminder: The British tried as best as they could to minimize jewish immigration to the area until they withdrew in 1948. The Arab states voted against UNs two states solution in 1947. And after the proclamation of the State of Israel they attacted and they lost.
Was Ottoman Empire in charge of Palestine for centuries up to 1918? Yes or No? The number of Jews in Palestine during Ottoman Empire could barely fill a minor league baseball stadium. Yes or No?

Is this relevant to what I wrote? I do not think so. But never mind. I will answer your quiz. 1) No, they were not in charge for centuries, read about the 18th and 19th century. But most of the time. And Britain started its campaign i 1915. And sure you are well aware of the Sykes-Picot agreement of 1916. But my answer, just so you are satisfied, is YES. 2) NO, a bit over 80000 in 1918. But what's your point? If you have a point at all?

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1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:39pm EDT

re: Impartial economic reality

Impartial economic reality wrote:
They moved to a place with few inhabitants. Bought up large tracts of land. Made dramatic improvements to the land (drained malarial filled swamps) and brought industry to the region. Established a Democracy, and Defended their territory from multiple attempts to eradicate their existence.
Land constantly changes hands In the world. Where I live has been controlled by multiple Indian tribes, has been uninhabited, was part of Spain, part of Mexico and is now the US. The current governance of this land likely affords me the best standard of living this land has ever seen.
The same can likely be said for the Palestinians who live or work in Israel. Several hundred thousand cross into Israel each day to work in Israel and earn a far better living than individuals living in surrounding countries (per capita income PPP is greater than 10 times what it is in Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, etc.). Unfortunately the terrorist Hamas government in Gaza threatens the livelihoods of those Palestinians who wish to live and work in peace and share in the fruits of industry provided by the Jewish inhabitants. Israel has the second best per capita income of the entire Middle East (and they have it without oil money, so it is broadly shared, as opposed to the middle eastern kingdoms where the opulently wealthy that control the oil revenue toss breadcrumbs to the lower classes). The Israeli Democracy can serve as a beacon of hope for the Middle East if the surrounding nations can learn it is in their best interest to live in peace.

The 1970s wants its propaganda back

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:41pm EDT

re: KaareV

KaareV wrote:
you understand nothing wrote:
In 1880ties about 25000 jews in Palestine. And then the immigration started.

I'm sorry, did the Muslims build the original temple in Jerusalem in the year 957 BC or was it the Jews??

Oh yeah, I forgot! The prophet Mohammed wouldn't be born for another 1,200 years! Nevermind, silly question!

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:45pm EDT

re: W T Fvckleberry?!?

W T Fvckleberry?!? wrote:
See Ottoman Empire ... wrote:
You should be banned!
He or she said nothing close to what you are accusing. Call someone an anti-Zionist if the bulk of someone's writing indicates.
You failed to discuss in good faith. You need to be banned.
Actually, you may not know this, but Newname is, in fact, a holocaust denier. He has stated as much hundreds of timew on dozens of threads. Not your fault if you don't know this.
It is also true that the website link provided by the known holocaust denier, (Newname = Carmine = K5 = ...), mondoweiss.net is substantially funded by Ron Unz, an out in the open holocaust denier.

Israel is denying food, water, energy, medicine, electricity to the people of Gaza. While dropping over 12,000 bombs and white phosphorous on them. Destroying homes, schools, hospitals. Said it is planning on using poison gas in the tunnels. All crimes against humanity. American Congress passes resolution not only backing this behavior but attacking any Americans who protest against it.

What do the apologists for Israel say to defend this?

Holocaust, Holocaust, Holocaust.

Ban anyone who points out what's happening

1 year ago 10/27/2023 2:45pm EDT

re: KingDavid

KingDavid wrote:
KaareV wrote:
In 1880ties about 25000 jews in Palestine. And then the immigration started.
I'm sorry, did the Muslims build the original temple in Jerusalem in the year 957 BC or was it the Jews??
Oh yeah, I forgot! The prophet Mohammed wouldn't be born for another 1,200 years! Nevermind, silly question!

IMO we should redraw all national borders to reflect 957BC populations

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