Late to the party but first off, there is no 14:00/29:00 runner running 2:08-2:10. That's your first mistake. Secondly, she is not a 13:50/28:50 runner, no way no how and you MUST be able to be that fit to run the time she did. This is a beautiful science experiment putting supershoes and PED's together. Glorious science experiment if you ask me.
Pavel Loskutov, Estonia, 29:33.26, 1:03:00, 2:08:53.
If male 14:00/29:00 type runners can run 2:08:00-2:10:00, and multitudes have done so, it is perfectly logical for a woman to run 2:11:53, with the same under distance credentials.
lol wut.
There has never been a 14/29 woman. Those are two separate world records, by two separate women, one of which is a whole week old.
It's drugs. Every other explanation is a cope.
Ghost is saying guys running 14 flat and 29 flat have run 2:10 or faster. Top women in the world are basically that. Sifan Hassan is that type of runner, who can run 14:0X and 29:0X, it wouldn't be shocking if she ran faster than the old 2:14 WR.
The thing that is weird to me is seeing Tigst Assefa go from a 400/800 runner to now world record holder in the marathon. And the success at the marathon was out of nowhere a year ago, and yet another massive step this year. This is like a guy 1:44 runner at Rio Olympics deciding the track life wasn't for him, and is now running a 1:58 marathon.
Another stat, the men's world record marathon is 2:01:09. That half marathon pace is 60:34. There are 533 men in the history of the world who have done that. The women's world record is now 2:11:53, that pace is 65:57 for a half marathon. Only 46 women in the history of the world have run that pace for a half marathon. This record is an absurd outlier, to be comparable it's like a guy running a 1:58 or a high 1:57.
There has never been a 14/29 woman. Those are two separate world records, by two separate women, one of which is a whole week old.
It's drugs. Every other explanation is a cope.
Ghost is saying guys running 14 flat and 29 flat have run 2:10 or faster. Top women in the world are basically that. Sifan Hassan is that type of runner, who can run 14:0X and 29:0X, it wouldn't be shocking if she ran faster than the old 2:14 WR.
The thing that is weird to me is seeing Tigst Assefa go from a 400/800 runner to now world record holder in the marathon. And the success at the marathon was out of nowhere a year ago, and yet another massive step this year. This is like a guy 1:44 runner at Rio Olympics deciding the track life wasn't for him, and is now running a 1:58 marathon.
Another stat, the men's world record marathon is 2:01:09. That half marathon pace is 60:34. There are 533 men in the history of the world who have done that. The women's world record is now 2:11:53, that pace is 65:57 for a half marathon. Only 46 women in the history of the world have run that pace for a half marathon. This record is an absurd outlier, to be comparable it's like a guy running a 1:58 or a high 1:57.
Assefa has opened the floodgates. 1:05:00/2:15:00 are the new (former) 1:08:00/2:21:00 equivalents.
We're going to see dozens and more Ethiopian women running 1:03:00-1:04:00/2:13:00-2:16:00 in the next few years.
Charlotte Purdue, G.B. ran a superb 2:22:00 yesterday. That time would have been eye catching just a few years ago. Nowadays 😔
There has never been a 14/29 woman. Those are two separate world records, by two separate women, one of which is a whole week old.
It's drugs. Every other explanation is a cope.
Ghost is saying guys running 14 flat and 29 flat have run 2:10 or faster. Top women in the world are basically that. Sifan Hassan is that type of runner, who can run 14:0X and 29:0X, it wouldn't be shocking if she ran faster than the old 2:14 WR.
The thing that is weird to me is seeing Tigst Assefa go from a 400/800 runner to now world record holder in the marathon. And the success at the marathon was out of nowhere a year ago, and yet another massive step this year. This is like a guy 1:44 runner at Rio Olympics deciding the track life wasn't for him, and is now running a 1:58 marathon.
Another stat, the men's world record marathon is 2:01:09. That half marathon pace is 60:34. There are 533 men in the history of the world who have done that. The women's world record is now 2:11:53, that pace is 65:57 for a half marathon. Only 46 women in the history of the world have run that pace for a half marathon. This record is an absurd outlier, to be comparable it's like a guy running a 1:58 or a high 1:57.
The depth in women's running has always been a lot less dense.
I feel sorry for the Japanese, pitter patter, tiny women and their cohorts of 2:20:00-2:23:00 women, on paper contenders for top spots a few years ago. Now, simply outclassed in these types of races, but Olympic marathons in high heat/humidity could significantly reduce those gaps.
"Sports will never be fair. Once the race is over, you don’t need to question what happened. The guy who crosses the line first won, and that’s that."(quote)
So why does WADA keep blood samples for 8 years? Why was it retroactively stripping medals years later from athletes who doped at the London Olympics?
Your philosophy of life is very clear - cheating and dishonesty - maybe even criminality - is fine if you get away with it.
WADA has its reasons for keeping the blood samples, but I would argue that they shouldn’t. It’s a waste of time and takes away from the simplistic nature of our sport: race from here to there. First one there wins. We shouldn’t be taking medals away.
This is my philosophy for athletics. It’s not cheating to use science to get better at running, that’s just being an athlete that cares about what they do. You call it “cheating” but that doesn’t make it so.
A lot of fans may want to see fast times sure, but also cleand and FAIR competition. It's a race, with prize money and accolades, not a time trial. If someone is doping then it is not an honest competition.
Sports will never be fair. Once the race is over, you don’t need to question what happened. The guy who crosses the line first won, and that’s that.
Do you people who want fairness and equality in races just want to see everyone cross the line holding hands and share the medals? Real Harrison Bergeron hours over here.
If there's no need to question what happened in a race once it's over why are we seeing medalists from various Olympics and World Championships having their medals taken away for failed drug tests? And why do you think having fairness and equality in races will lead to everyone holding hands and sharing medals?
Post proof of a doping problem in GM level chess matches RIGHT NOW or never post again.
A quick internet search, if you had bothered.
"According to the Chess WADA Anti-Doping Policy, the most relevant banned substances for chess are amphetamine derivatives (Adderall, Ritalin), ephedrine and methylephedrine, pseudoephedrine, and Modafinil."
Are you illiterate? I asked you for proof of there being A DRUG PROBLEM IN CHESS. All you've shown here is that some substances are banned in chess, not that there's rampant abuse of said substances.
"Sports will never be fair. Once the race is over, you don’t need to question what happened. The guy who crosses the line first won, and that’s that."(quote)
So why does WADA keep blood samples for 8 years? Why was it retroactively stripping medals years later from athletes who doped at the London Olympics?
Your philosophy of life is very clear - cheating and dishonesty - maybe even criminality - is fine if you get away with it.
WADA has its reasons for keeping the blood samples, but I would argue that they shouldn’t. It’s a waste of time and takes away from the simplistic nature of our sport: race from here to there. First one there wins. We shouldn’t be taking medals away.
This is my philosophy for athletics. It’s not cheating to use science to get better at running, that’s just being an athlete that cares about what they do. You call it “cheating” but that doesn’t make it so.
No, just me calling something does not make it so. Violating the rules does make it cheating, whatever "it" may be and does not cease to be cheating even if I don't believe it is. Your personal philosophy of athletics is irrelevant here.
If there's no need to question what happened in a race once it's over why are we seeing medalists from various Olympics and World Championships having their medals taken away for failed drug tests? And why do you think having fairness and equality in races will lead to everyone holding hands and sharing medals?
Well the reason is in the rules. But consider whether that really increases fairness.
For example Johnson's gold went to doper Lewis; Ramzi's gold went to doper Kiprop; Sumgong kept her gold (caught 1/2 year later); Armstrong "gold" did not go to doper Ullrich et al.
Ghost is saying guys running 14 flat and 29 flat have run 2:10 or faster. Top women in the world are basically that. Sifan Hassan is that type of runner, who can run 14:0X and 29:0X, it wouldn't be shocking if she ran faster than the old 2:14 WR.
The thing that is weird to me is seeing Tigst Assefa go from a 400/800 runner to now world record holder in the marathon. And the success at the marathon was out of nowhere a year ago, and yet another massive step this year. This is like a guy 1:44 runner at Rio Olympics deciding the track life wasn't for him, and is now running a 1:58 marathon.
Another stat, the men's world record marathon is 2:01:09. That half marathon pace is 60:34. There are 533 men in the history of the world who have done that. The women's world record is now 2:11:53, that pace is 65:57 for a half marathon. Only 46 women in the history of the world have run that pace for a half marathon. This record is an absurd outlier, to be comparable it's like a guy running a 1:58 or a high 1:57.
Assefa has opened the floodgates. 1:05:00/2:15:00 are the new (former) 1:08:00/2:21:00 equivalents.
We're going to see dozens and more Ethiopian women running 1:03:00-1:04:00/2:13:00-2:16:00 in the next few years.
Charlotte Purdue, G.B. ran a superb 2:22:00 yesterday. That time would have been eye catching just a few years ago. Nowadays 😔
Actually it seems that comparitively,ethiopian women are performing better than their men,in terms of depth,their results,and their speed.30 years ago that would have been unthinkable,although i remember watching derartu tulu back in 1992.She won the olympic 10'000 meters,20 years old,and mostly unknown.Rather than being a once off,she opened the floodgates,and a lot more followed her.
If there's no need to question what happened in a race once it's over why are we seeing medalists from various Olympics and World Championships having their medals taken away for failed drug tests? And why do you think having fairness and equality in races will lead to everyone holding hands and sharing medals?
We shouldn't see medalists having their medals taken away. That's dumb.
When you start requiring fairness and equality, then you have to take into account the advantages and disadvantages each athlete has. Is it fair that some athletes live and train at altitude or have to train in intense humidity or cold weather? Is it fair that some athletes have smaller sponsorships and need to work second jobs while training? Is it fair that some athletes have massage therapists or strength coaches? Is it fair that some athletes have parents who had genetically superior slow twitch muscle fibers or cardiovascular performance?
Everyone who loses a race could probably point to the race being "unfair" for any of these reasons. In your view of "fairness" does everyone have the same chance of winning the race? If not, then define what your personal definition of fairness is.
Fairness is simply having everyone in a competition playing by the same rules. Obviously people come to that competition with different backgrounds which can increase or decrease their chances of winning or placing well. That has nothing to do with the competition being fair. If we follow your idea of not disqualifying the result of a competitor later found to have cheated we'd have let Rosie Ruiz win the Boston Marathon.
No, just me calling something does not make it so. Violating the rules does make it cheating, whatever "it" may be and does not cease to be cheating even if I don't believe it is. Your personal philosophy of athletics is irrelevant here.
Up until the 1970s, the rules said you couldn't be a professional athlete and represent your country in the Olympics. Back then, many people considered professional athletes to be "cheaters" solely because the rulesmakers said so.
The rules were wrong then. The rules are wrong now.
Except Marathon is an event that takes years of speed and endurance to master. It is not feasible that Athing Mu for example is going to jump into Marathon training and pop even a sub 3hr easily.
3 Hours is Pedestrian, Mu would have ZERO problems running under 3, If she decided to TRAIN for a Marathon It Would be to be World Class in that as well she may or may not have World Class Marathon Potential, My guess is she sticks with the 800 where she has proven to be the best in the World For 2-3 Years, She Was #1 the Last 2 Years, not sure how she is ranked this year my guess is Probably #3 Though she ran the Fastest time inn the World and Beat The 2 Woman who beat her at World's, But Worlds is easily the big race and she got 3rd So My Guess is #3, I expect her to be World Class at 1500 and beating Houlihan 3:54.99 I think is realistic for Mu
Fairness is simply having everyone in a competition playing by the same rules. Obviously people come to that competition with different backgrounds which can increase or decrease their chances of winning or placing well. That has nothing to do with the competition being fair. If we follow your idea of not disqualifying the result of a competitor later found to have cheated we'd have let Rosie Ruiz win the Boston Marathon.
I know you'll call me a hypocrite for this, but Rosie didn't run the race. That's different than an athlete taking EPO but still running a full 5000m on a track faster than anyone else ran 5000m on a track.
WADA has its reasons for keeping the blood samples, but I would argue that they shouldn’t. It’s a waste of time and takes away from the simplistic nature of our sport: race from here to there. First one there wins. We shouldn’t be taking medals away.
This is my philosophy for athletics. It’s not cheating to use science to get better at running, that’s just being an athlete that cares about what they do. You call it “cheating” but that doesn’t make it so.
So go support the Enhanced Games. Cheating is cheating if it is outside the agreed rules. If runners want to dope they are free to run in races that are not WA events.