Jakob is the opposite of Athing Mu and Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone. He loves to race, loves to compete and never ducks anyone. The sports is so fortunate to have an athlete like him.
As everyone knows I give Jakob a lot of guff because he's so arrogant
Sorry if I've missed it by not having read all 5+ pages, but has anyone actually confirmed this with Jakob's camp? Couldn't this just be him entering both and deciding closer to the date which one he wants to actually do?
This is just a guess on my part (no there is no confirmation on what he's actually going to do) - so pure gut feeling from my side.
If he starts the mile then I think he is going to double and just run to win both events.
If he scratches the mile I think there is a possibility he goes after the WR in the 3.
I'm leaning more to the former - I don't think the conditions are going to be great for going after any distance record - even the mile (blazing sun and temps in the mid to high 80's).
Sorry if I've missed it by not having read all 5+ pages, but has anyone actually confirmed this with Jakob's camp? Couldn't this just be him entering both and deciding closer to the date which one he wants to actually do?
He is running both. If he does not get sick :) Though I very much doubt that he will run 3:43, more likely 3:44 high. On sunday a WR should be within his reach.
Sorry if I've missed it by not having read all 5+ pages, but has anyone actually confirmed this with Jakob's camp? Couldn't this just be him entering both and deciding closer to the date which one he wants to actually do?
He is running both. If he does not get sick :) Though I very much doubt that he will run 3:43, more likely 3:44 high. On sunday a WR should be within his reach.
So he runs 3.44 high on Saturday he becomes the 4th fastest human ever - over a second faster than what Cram, Komen, Aouita could ever do. And there is this notion that he comes back less than 24 hours later and beats a record that yes we strongly believe is within his reach but is still going to be an incredibly tough record to get.
I think looking at the potential conditions it would be incredible if he ran under 7.22 in the 3000m - and that's if he scratched from the mile. I get we are all excited about all these records being smashed but the kid is only human. If he ran 3.44 and broke 7.20.67 in two consecutive days it's the greatest athletic feat the entire sport will have ever seen by some margin.
I’d agree. El Guerrouj did run 3:26.00 in Rome and then ran 3:44.60 in Paris just 2 days later. But doing it in 24 hours would trump that.
The other thing - both Rome and Nice were/are evening/night meets which in terms of the conditions are far, far less taxing on the athletes. Big difference warming up and running under lights than the blazing sun at 1pm in the afternoon. We are currently looking at 88 degrees from Saturday in Eugene alone - that's no joke to even run a sub 3.48 mile in.
Oh, he certainly is capable of running WR in both races. IMO he hasnt gone all out in a race this season. Maybe the 2mile-record. (i dont count the championships-races when he was not feeling well/a little sick). I think he was in monstershape into the worlds, far better than in june and july. He went back from worlds, got himself an easy week and then started to get back in race shape. He was in quite good shape again at the 2000-wr, but still peaking. You can see it by "the shrug" after the finish line. He thought that came surprisingly easy, and he knew at that time that he has more in him.
So now he's going for back to back WR's. He is capable to do back to back WR in those two events. He is an endurance monster with a lot of doubling-experience , and the new shoes makes your legs less damaged. But the weather, the pacers and the mindset has to be in "mint condition".
Il va se faire se casser la figure comme il s'est déjà fait casser la figure dans trois finale 1500m.
Dommage que tu n’aies pas la capacité de t’exprimer avec ton anglais infantile, mais tu continues à établir sans aucun doute que t’es le posteur le plus infantile et débile sur le forum. Pourquoi tu continues même à traîner ici, ça te plaît d’être la risée?
Oh, he certainly is capable of running WR in both races. IMO he hasnt gone all out in a race this season. Maybe the 2mile-record. (i dont count the championships-races when he was not feeling well/a little sick). I think he was in monstershape into the worlds, far better than in june and july. He went back from worlds, got himself an easy week and then started to get back in race shape. He was in quite good shape again at the 2000-wr, but still peaking. You can see it by "the shrug" after the finish line. He thought that came surprisingly easy, and he knew at that time that he has more in him.
So now he's going for back to back WR's. He is capable to do back to back WR in those two events. He is an endurance monster with a lot of doubling-experience , and the new shoes makes your legs less damaged. But the weather, the pacers and the mindset has to be in "mint condition".
Yes, in a resent interview he even said that the 2000m wasn’t “all out”…
This is just a guess on my part (no there is no confirmation on what he's actually going to do) - so pure gut feeling from my side.
If he starts the mile then I think he is going to double and just run to win both events.
If he scratches the mile I think there is a possibility he goes after the WR in the 3.
I'm leaning more to the former - I don't think the conditions are going to be great for going after any distance record - even the mile (blazing sun and temps in the mid to high 80's).
In just reading the rules of this controversial "wildcard" situation that has even allowed him to potentially run Sunday, this even reinforces the logic behind my hypothesis above. If he runs the 3000m he's doing it without the incentive of the prizemoney because he's ineligible. To me that means the only reason he would do it is if he's going after a time and that is obviously the WR. I don't feel like he would be messing around with anything else given he's already run 3000m in well under 7min22 seconds (the final 3000m of his 3218m 2 mile).
So I feel like if we see him warming up on Sunday he's going to go for it. Now obviously if he drops the mile then he's 100% going for it - if he doesn't and runs it I still think there is a possibility he doesn't run the 3 because as mentioned I think he would have to be in alltime historic shape well beyond anything we have ever seen from an MD athlete in history to even run sub 3.46 and then sniff that 3000m mark.
Also was reading the front page article about the "industry insider" upset about the "new" wildcard situation just implemented which was allowed Mu to start after having zero points and not even a world title to justify it, and also J.I basically having the 5000m changed to a 3000m clearly to suit him - when he also technically didn't qualify (at least he has the world title). Well this is what happens when you give a final that you qualify for to a meeting that is completely funded by a sporting goods company that also funds athletes careers. As mentioned in another thread on Mu, these athletes making big $$$ from Nike have appearance clauses written into their contracts specifically for Pre and contractually need to show up. Adidas athletes have it written into their deals for the adi meets (formerly Boston and now the Atlanta city games). So this has WA in a weird position where the primary sponsor of your entire meeting (that pays for the athletes to all get there and most probably stumps up at least some portion of the prizemoney), says "we need these athletes on the start line and honestly we don't care about your points system". And the fact it just came in this year tells you something - previously the DL finals were Zurich and Brussels - no need for the "wildcard" exemptions there because those meetings aren't sponsored by a footwear company that contractually require certain athletes to run there. Thanks to the Nike Prefontaine Classic this will now always exist but it will never be utilized again like it is this season - unless Pre gets the DL final ever again.
This is just a guess on my part (no there is no confirmation on what he's actually going to do) - so pure gut feeling from my side.
If he starts the mile then I think he is going to double and just run to win both events.
If he scratches the mile I think there is a possibility he goes after the WR in the 3.
I'm leaning more to the former - I don't think the conditions are going to be great for going after any distance record - even the mile (blazing sun and temps in the mid to high 80's).
In just reading the rules of this controversial "wildcard" situation that has even allowed him to potentially run Sunday, this even reinforces the logic behind my hypothesis above. If he runs the 3000m he's doing it without the incentive of the prizemoney because he's ineligible. To me that means the only reason he would do it is if he's going after a time and that is obviously the WR. I don't feel like he would be messing around with anything else given he's already run 3000m in well under 7min22 seconds (the final 3000m of his 3218m 2 mile).
So I feel like if we see him warming up on Sunday he's going to go for it. Now obviously if he drops the mile then he's 100% going for it - if he doesn't and runs it I still think there is a possibility he doesn't run the 3 because as mentioned I think he would have to be in alltime historic shape well beyond anything we have ever seen from an MD athlete in history to even run sub 3.46 and then sniff that 3000m mark.
Also was reading the front page article about the "industry insider" upset about the "new" wildcard situation just implemented which was allowed Mu to start after having zero points and not even a world title to justify it, and also J.I basically having the 5000m changed to a 3000m clearly to suit him - when he also technically didn't qualify (at least he has the world title). Well this is what happens when you give a final that you qualify for to a meeting that is completely funded by a sporting goods company that also funds athletes careers. As mentioned in another thread on Mu, these athletes making big $ from Nike have appearance clauses written into their contracts specifically for Pre and contractually need to show up. Adidas athletes have it written into their deals for the adi meets (formerly Boston and now the Atlanta city games). So this has WA in a weird position where the primary sponsor of your entire meeting (that pays for the athletes to all get there and most probably stumps up at least some portion of the prizemoney), says "we need these athletes on the start line and honestly we don't care about your points system". And the fact it just came in this year tells you something - previously the DL finals were Zurich and Brussels - no need for the "wildcard" exemptions there because those meetings aren't sponsored by a footwear company that contractually require certain athletes to run there. Thanks to the Nike Prefontaine Classic this will now always exist but it will never be utilized again like it is this season - unless Pre gets the DL final ever again.
I was not aware of this and assumed a big draw for running both events (beyond love of racing) was the payday. Will he still receive the Diamond trophy if he wins?
I’m with you that even one WR is unlikely given the venue and conditions, but I don’t think there’s any chance he drops the mile. I think it’s more likely he blasts it on Saturday and runs for the win Sunday than vice versa. In any case, it would not surprise me to see the ARs in both events (3:46.32 and 7:26.62) go down, which would be an amazing weekend and presumably worth his time from a monetary perspective.
Oh, he certainly is capable of running WR in both races. IMO he hasnt gone all out in a race this season. Maybe the 2mile-record. (i dont count the championships-races when he was not feeling well/a little sick). I think he was in monstershape into the worlds, far better than in june and july. He went back from worlds, got himself an easy week and then started to get back in race shape. He was in quite good shape again at the 2000-wr, but still peaking. You can see it by "the shrug" after the finish line. He thought that came surprisingly easy, and he knew at that time that he has more in him.
So now he's going for back to back WR's. He is capable to do back to back WR in those two events. He is an endurance monster with a lot of doubling-experience , and the new shoes makes your legs less damaged. But the weather, the pacers and the mindset has to be in "mint condition".
In just reading the rules of this controversial "wildcard" situation that has even allowed him to potentially run Sunday, this even reinforces the logic behind my hypothesis above. If he runs the 3000m he's doing it without the incentive of the prizemoney because he's ineligible. To me that means the only reason he would do it is if he's going after a time and that is obviously the WR. I don't feel like he would be messing around with anything else given he's already run 3000m in well under 7min22 seconds (the final 3000m of his 3218m 2 mile).
So I feel like if we see him warming up on Sunday he's going to go for it. Now obviously if he drops the mile then he's 100% going for it - if he doesn't and runs it I still think there is a possibility he doesn't run the 3 because as mentioned I think he would have to be in alltime historic shape well beyond anything we have ever seen from an MD athlete in history to even run sub 3.46 and then sniff that 3000m mark.
Also was reading the front page article about the "industry insider" upset about the "new" wildcard situation just implemented which was allowed Mu to start after having zero points and not even a world title to justify it, and also J.I basically having the 5000m changed to a 3000m clearly to suit him - when he also technically didn't qualify (at least he has the world title). Well this is what happens when you give a final that you qualify for to a meeting that is completely funded by a sporting goods company that also funds athletes careers. As mentioned in another thread on Mu, these athletes making big $ from Nike have appearance clauses written into their contracts specifically for Pre and contractually need to show up. Adidas athletes have it written into their deals for the adi meets (formerly Boston and now the Atlanta city games). So this has WA in a weird position where the primary sponsor of your entire meeting (that pays for the athletes to all get there and most probably stumps up at least some portion of the prizemoney), says "we need these athletes on the start line and honestly we don't care about your points system". And the fact it just came in this year tells you something - previously the DL finals were Zurich and Brussels - no need for the "wildcard" exemptions there because those meetings aren't sponsored by a footwear company that contractually require certain athletes to run there. Thanks to the Nike Prefontaine Classic this will now always exist but it will never be utilized again like it is this season - unless Pre gets the DL final ever again.
I was not aware of this and assumed a big draw for running both events (beyond love of racing) was the payday. Will he still receive the Diamond trophy if he wins?
I’m with you that even one WR is unlikely given the venue and conditions, but I don’t think there’s any chance he drops the mile. I think it’s more likely he blasts it on Saturday and runs for the win Sunday than vice versa. In any case, it would not surprise me to see the ARs in both events (3:46.32 and 7:26.62) go down, which would be an amazing weekend and presumably worth his time from a monetary perspective.
I don't believe he's eligible for the Diamond trophy either. So assuming that he meets his obligations by running the mile, the 3000m is kind of incentive free unless he wants to go after that time but who knows what his camp and Caprioti have agreed to? I guess we are going to find out in the next 72 hours though! And if he ran under 3.46.32 and 7.26.62 on consecutive days (I believe he is capable of that all conditions considered), I think that would be a freaking incredible weekend of athletic performance.