Rice and Kerr-y wrote:
???
Performance anxiety. Sort of like Naomi Osaka and Simone Biles. He should see a therapist.
-
413
-
He ran well and lost a close race by a fraction of a second to a very good runner. He mentioned he wasn't feeling 100%. That happens. It's hard to be on for every race. Against these top athletes being slightly off can result in a loss if someone has a better day. Still sub 3:30 in a championship final is great.
He's very good. Not a fan of his semi homestretch antics but that's up to him if he wants to act like that. Great runner.
This post was edited 1 minute after it was posted.193 -
Like Kiprop, Ingebritsen is a time trial runner, not a championship racer.
414 -
Two types of racers wrote:
Like Kiprop, Ingebritsen is a time trial runner, not a championship racer.
The 3 time world champion kiprop or a different one
260 -
He ran 5000s already. Legs were sapped. He is dominant but not that dominant.
38 -
What went wrong is he chose the wrong event. It's time for him to move up, the writing's on the wall. When you're too slow to win in a championship-caliber race that isn't within a second of your PR, you need to move up. I thought that was kind of obvious after his 2-mile WR.
The facts remain that in the 2 championships where he lost, he ran more than a second off his PR and it came down to a kick. When he's racing against the best in the world, when everybody is at their peak, it appears his only path to victory is to run all-out and hope for the best.95 -
epenington wrote:
Needs to clock a faster 800 time. Amazing runner but needs to work on foot speed in order to become the goat.
Yes, yes, he should’ve worked on foot speed instead of head speed or shoulder speed.
44 -
he had the twisties wrote:
Rice and Kerr-y wrote:
???
Performance anxiety. Sort of like Naomi Osaka and Simone Biles. He should see a therapist.
He missed the opportunity to be stunning and brave by not DNS’ing.
66 -
7777777 wrote:
Doesn't drafting cost you a second per lap? Does anyone know? Someone please respond. Thank you so much and have a great day!
Having been a cycling fan for a full decade before getting into running and watching the pros, I think the running world severely underestimates the impact of aerodynamics in the sport. Some here have correctly identified Jakob's excessive time up front not receiving any draft benefit, but many are dismissing this and simply saying he wasn't strong enough or didn't go hard enough on lap 2 (which I think is true but probably less significant than all the pacing he did).
's an aerodynamic study on draft effect at lower speeds in cycling, which is relevant on tough climbs. At 7m/s (3:34 in the 1500m), with a group of 6 cyclists in a line, it says the second cyclist in the line saves around 50 watts compared to the lead cyclist (10% savings on 500W using the charts they have; yes the drag coefficients are different, cyclists have a bike but they're also sitting down). Watts are a very known and precise commodity in cycling (they're everything! very scientific sport), and they don't translate well to running because there's no real way to measure them (stryd and other power meters are crap, they're just backing into a guess), but running watts are in the same ballpark at an equivalent effort.World class cyclists can hold about 700 watts for 3.5 minutes, so let's buffer that for runners and say our 1500m finalists are holding 1000 watts for their entire race if leading and taking the wind. Saving 50 watts by staying in second position with a draft is equivalent to 5% of total power! Jakob led/took wind from 500m (arguably from 300m) to 1500m, while Kerr only took the wind for the last 2-300m. Very rough math with some grand assumptions here, but with the 1000W estimate, Jakob would've averaged 980+ watts to Kerr's 960, a 2% savings for Kerr (2% of 3:30 is 4 seconds, so 1 second per lap to answer your question , but I'm not sure the % power translates directly to % time).Yes Kerr did stay slightly wider than Jakob for much of the race, adding a little bit of distance and increasing his drag slightly, but even being to the side, he got significant drag benefit. Again, the 1000 watt estimate is very rough, but the 50 watt savings comes from actual smart people. Is aerodynamics as important in running as in cycling? Not even close, but it has a role! Don't get me started on sprinters' clothing/hair. But there's a reason Eliud went sub-2 with a flying V of pacers (including Jakob!). Drag matters, and for the second year in a row, Jakob dragged a Scot to gold.
332 -
freekiprop wrote:
Two types of racers wrote:
Like Kiprop, Ingebritsen is a time trial runner, not a championship racer.
The 3 time world champion kiprop or a different one
The doped to the gills ‘champion’.
25 -
Someone dared to race him in a tactical race. Wightman ditto; that’s why they stage the event not for hysterical fawning fanboys
61 -
Your medical acumen =0
02 -
old washed up runner guy wrote:
What went wrong is he chose the wrong event. It's time for him to move up, the writing's on the wall. When you're too slow to win in a championship-caliber race that isn't within a second of your PR, you need to move up. I thought that was kind of obvious after his 2-mile WR.
The facts remain that in the 2 championships where he lost, he ran more than a second off his PR and it came down to a kick. When he's racing against the best in the world, when everybody is at their peak, it appears his only path to victory is to run all-out and hope for the best.
I think he thinks a bit like Centro — the glory and the big d energy is in the metric mile
100 -
Jakob was not 100% today, that was clear, but Kerr was also in stellar shape and held back early and saved his powder. He had a lot of powder too. The workout he ran shows just what level he was training at. 54.8/400m x 8 on 90s rest and 4-5 minutes, I think, after the 4th. That pace is no random figure. As he said, everything was figured out to the letter. 54.8 is world record pace, 3:26. He was ready to run 3:28 low, maybe 3:27 mid to high today. Great to see the shape the event is in currently. I hope Jakob comes back as he did after World's last year but he needs everything and smart tactics to beat the quality of competition he is facing.
121 -
Wise Old Man wrote:
RunningFast wrote:
Yes, he will need to improve.
Jakob said after the race:
"I felt that my legs were not very good today. Very bad timing, I think. I felt in the warm-up for the semi-final that my throat was a little dry. I don't feel like my body was 100 percent and after the first 200 meter in today's race I felt I was not 100 percent.
"I had no chance. I had nothing to offer. It's a bit of bad luck on timing. I have been in good form this year. And then when it comes down to it, I fail"He was also asked about if the feeling was similar like last year WC 1500, and say
"No, last year I was the best in the field and should have won, but I made big tactical errors. Today, I was not the best one in the field".Yes, Jakob always tells it like it is. We should believe him.
Forgive my ignorance. Is this your belief or sarcasm?
04 -
He got beat period!
30 -
Cranston wrote:
third global 1500m final in a row he has got silver. the only one he won was when he had a rabbit in timmy cheriyut. needs to learn how to win without assistants helping him. presumably the only way he can win is to just go as fast as he can. he may have been able to win if he didnt let the pace slow in 2nd lap.
still has a lack of kick i see
Jakob is a slightly speedier version of Mo Farah. Farah ran what was then the sixth fastest 1500m of all time, but no one would have given him a shot in a global championship.
Jakob can run faster that any current 1500m runner in a paced race (as Farah was faster than nearly all of his contemporary 1500m runners in a paced race), but in a competition style race, everything has to go right for him to beat runners with a better finish.
Unless he wants a race to be a lottery, he has to push the pace, or the chances are he'll be outkicked. So unless he runs the perfect race - allowing for front-running v being towed by a pacemaker - he's vulnerable to a 3:29.x type guy with a kick. Last time it was Wightman, this time Kerr.
In a championship, despite his brilliant running at 1500m, Jakob is better suited to 5000m.
102 -
Since everybody is likely juicing that means anybody can win.
32 -
In the video Jacob didn't look well at the start. Something in his expression looked off.
63 -
xzcvzxcv wrote:
Jakob was not 100% today, that was clear, but Kerr was also in stellar shape and held back early and saved his powder. He had a lot of powder too. The workout he ran shows just what level he was training at. 54.8/400m x 8 on 90s rest and 4-5 minutes, I think, after the 4th. That pace is no random figure. As he said, everything was figured out to the letter. 54.8 is world record pace, 3:26. He was ready to run 3:28 low, maybe 3:27 mid to high today. Great to see the shape the event is in currently. I hope Jakob comes back as he did after World's last year but he needs everything and smart tactics to beat the quality of competition he is facing.
Keep theorizing... and we will wait what will happens in a few weeks.
11
What People Are Talking About On LetsRun
No top threads at the moment. Check back soon.