If you don't think that's a steady progression, I'd like you to show what is.
Check out someone like Jenny Simpson. Jenny broke 4 in college and had been maintaining that ever since. Check out someone like Emma Coburns steeple progression. The only big jumps as a pro would be right when she left college. Check Nikki hiltz check heather Maclean
Are you kidding? Those progressions are all over the place.
Simpson: Dropped over 11 seconds to run 3:59 at age 22, then didn't break 4 again until four years later
Coburn: Steady progression from 18 to 21 but after running 9:23 at 21, she went 9:28, 9:11, 9:15.
Maclean: Made a huge (suspicious!) jump from 4:17 to 4:05 at 23.
Please keep your comments respectful. The locals probably do not know of her history and just get geeked that an elite from Iowa signed up to run. I have asked that they scrub her results since she is currently serving a ban for performance enhancing drugs and asked that the second-place woman be officially recognized as the winner and awarded any prize money given to the victor.
Do you not have anything better to do in life than troll little local races? This is a tiny tiny local race. i have run it. Time to move on and do something productive and worthy of your time.
Your post implies that there is uncertainty around the dopers they do catch. To be clear Shelby is a cheat
No, it doesn't. My clearly stated complaint is that they do not "catch the dopers," leaving people to speculate as to who is clean and who is not, and I literally said that I want to know that people who don't get busted are clean (not the other way around) with reasonable certainty. It's the sensitivity, not the specificity that I take issue with, and I did not imply otherwise.
I want anti-doping agencies to catch enough of the dopers that we do not have to speculate about who is clean and who isn't.
When you take into consideration that elite running is a doped circus, Shelby winning in American record time is great and perfectly fitting. Good for her. Too bad they can't pop the worst of the cheaters like Jakob, Cheptegai, Hassan, Katir, etc.
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with you, lol. People on here worship El G, who was as blatant a doper as we've ever seen, and now they're buying the cr-p that Kipyegon is selling, yet they have burning torches when it comes to Houlihan. I was never a big Houlihan fan, but the absurd outcry against her running even beer miles (beer miles!!) has ironically made me more supportive of her.
I've been around the sport far too long to think that a progression like that is particularly unusual. For me, the red flag was the crazy last 100m at U.S. champs when she broke out. But you get people dropping major time even close to the top level of the sport and they aren't all doping. Wheating ran 3:38 with a 25 last 200m, so his 3:30 in his first Euro 1500m, the summer he finished college, was not suggestive of doping at all, any more than any of his college performances, even though it was an 8 second drop right from good college time to one of the best American times ever.
No, it doesn't. My clearly stated complaint is that they do not "catch the dopers," leaving people to speculate as to who is clean and who is not, and I literally said that I want to know that people who don't get busted are clean (not the other way around) with reasonable certainty. It's the sensitivity, not the specificity that I take issue with, and I did not imply otherwise.
I want anti-doping agencies to catch enough of the dopers that we do not have to speculate about who is clean and who isn't.
They caught a doper and yet you still complain.
Do you prefer the status quo over a world where we do a good enough job catching dopers that we can assume that elite races are clean instead of assuming that half+ of the competitors are just dopers who haven't been caught?
Of course she is free to run unsanctioned races, but where she is doing so publicly like this, shouldn’t this impact her ban? Can the authorities add on additional months or years for this kind of thing?
Do you prefer the status quo over a world where we do a good enough job catching dopers that we can assume that elite races are clean instead of assuming that half+ of the competitors are just dopers who haven't been caught?
And the entire purpose of the organization is to catch dopers, so being impressed that "they caught a doper" is a pretty low bar.
I've been around the sport far too long to think that a progression like that is particularly unusual. For me, the red flag was the crazy last 100m at U.S. champs when she broke out.
For me, the red flag was the positive doping test.
When you take into consideration that elite running is a doped circus, Shelby winning in American record time is great and perfectly fitting. Good for her. Too bad they can't pop the worst of the cheaters like Jakob, Cheptegai, Hassan, Katir, etc.
This may be the first time I've ever agreed with you, lol. People on here worship El G, who was as blatant a doper as we've ever seen, and now they're buying the cr-p that Kipyegon is selling, yet they have burning torches when it comes to Houlihan. I was never a big Houlihan fan, but the absurd outcry against her running even beer miles (beer miles!!) has ironically made me more supportive of her.
I think this is partly why I can't jump on the anti-Shelby bandwagon. But if I had to bet money, I would go with the tests that say she did dope. I am not a doping denier... it is all over this sport.
However, there are actually five scenarios that always exist...
1) she intentionally doped (most likely)
2) she accidentally doped by consuming tainted supplements (somewhat likely according to Travis Tygart)
3) she was given something by someone in her team but she didn't know (unlikely)
4) she was sabotaged by someone else (very unlikely)
5) she didn't dope and the test was wrong (the least likely option)
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This may be the first time I've ever agreed with you, lol. People on here worship El G, who was as blatant a doper as we've ever seen, and now they're buying the cr-p that Kipyegon is selling, yet they have burning torches when it comes to Houlihan. I was never a big Houlihan fan, but the absurd outcry against her running even beer miles (beer miles!!) has ironically made me more supportive of her.
I think this is partly why I can't jump on the anti-Shelby bandwagon. But if I had to bet money, I would go with the tests that say she did dope. I am not a doping denier... it is all over this sport.
However, there are actually five scenarios that always exist...
1) she intentionally doped (most likely)
2) she accidentally doped by consuming tainted supplements (somewhat likely according to Travis Tygart)
3) she was given something by someone in her team but she didn't know (unlikely)
4) she was sabotaged by someone else (very unlikely)
5) she didn't dope and the test was wrong (the least likely option)
Please keep your comments respectful. The locals probably do not know of her history and just get geeked that an elite from Iowa signed up to run. I have asked that they scrub her results since she is currently serving a ban for performance enhancing drugs and asked that the second-place woman be officially recognized as the winner and awarded any prize money given to the victor.
And what was second place? 10 minutes back? who cares...even in her "pre-drug" shape she'd destroy them.