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kjenslevart wrote:
My numbers were borderline high, a clean diet and exercise wasn't quite working, my father died of heart problems, so I opted for a statin. I'm on the lowest dose (5mg?), and my numbers dropped way down. Seemingly no side effects. With insurance, it costs me $0.00.
This doesnt answer op question, but is worth noting. Indeed, try a liw dose, you may be one of the vast majority that tolerates fine. I have lowered mine through diet a few times ( flax, benecol and low sat fat) usually 10% consistent with literature, but i always back slide a bit.
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an actual doctor wrote:
Where are you getting your cancer sources from:
And any decrease in deaths from heart attacks/disease is due to medications and treatment. Remove the medications and medical technology (which did not exist 50 years ago) and the deaths skyrocket exponentially. A lot of people are only being kept alive by medications; Americans are exponentially less healthy now than they were 50 years ago.
You deceptively did not post a chart about the number of incidences of cancer, you chose deaths from cancer. There is a lot more cancer today but less people dying from it due to medical technology.
Take a walk outside and just look at everyone. McDonalds substituted vegetable oils for the beef tallow in their fryers in the early 90's and people have gotten substantially fatter.
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PoisonSeedOils wrote:
an actual doctor wrote:
what is she going on about?
.Where are you getting your cancer sources from:
And any decrease in deaths from heart attacks/disease is due to medications and treatment. Remove the medications and medical technology (which did not exist 50 years ago) and the deaths skyrocket exponentially. A lot of people are only being kept alive by medications; Americans are exponentially less healthy now than they were 50 years ago.
You deceptively did not post a chart about the number of incidences of cancer, you chose deaths from cancer. There is a lot more cancer today but less people dying from it due to medical technology.
Take a walk outside and just look at everyone. McDonalds substituted vegetable oils for the beef tallow in their fryers in the early 90's and people have gotten substantially fatter.
you posted a chart on prevalence while whining i “deceptively” showed a chart on prevalence lol
ive seen the world and US cancer incidence rates and they are fairly stable for the last 25-30 years. the numbers just dont show what you want them to.
you hold a fringe belief man, theres a reason consensus EXPERT opinion disagrees with you- because youre wrong. its not a conspiracy lol. you are attributing all the complexities of population health to one thing and if it were just that simple and obvious, we would change.
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an actual doctor wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
The "doc" said keto has no benefit that you can't get from any other diet. This is demonstrably false.
Satiety isn't the whole equation.
On a high protein diet your body still uses glucose as it's main energy source. Body fat is FAT not glucose. Have you ever wondered why a 900 pound man gets hungry at all? He's literally covered in tens of thousands of calories. If you aren't in ketosis the body does not consider fat to be an energy source so it would ignore the fat stores and your hormones will scream for glucose which will make you want to eat.
In ketosis the 900 pound man will not get hungry. When his body wants energy it will create it's own energy out of his own fat in the form of ketones. His "hunger" will manifest in the form of habit not in the form of hormonal hunger. Over time the habitual cravings disappear.
On a traditional diet the hunger and feeling of deprivation never goes away because your body is resistant to consuming its own fat stores.
“if you arent in ketosis the body does not consider fat to be an energy source” looool- what. the. eff. i have never seen such an utterly stupid comment. especially by someone so arrogantly claiming they know about keto lol. go back to school bro, you are utterly embarrassing yourself.
let me try to help you: in ketosis without a calorie deficit, the fat you eat gets stored as fat and despite using fat as your primary energy source- you still can get fatter. when you take your keto diet and get into a calorie deficit, you use fat to convert to ketones for energy and because you are burning more energy than you eat, you lose weight. in a diet with carbs that involves a calorie deficit, you also lose FAT because the energy from carbs is not sufficient to meet your energy needs- youre in a calorie deficit! in a calorie deficit- they both lead to the same amount of fat loss! this is settled science.
hunger is regulated by multiple hormones. leptin and ghrelin are the two major players and as fat is lost - on any diet- leptin, the satiety hormone, drops and ghrelin, the hunger hormone, increases. perhaps some people experience better satiety on keto, perhaps not- it is subjective. i for instance have used high carb diets to get to 5-6% body fat without any hunger issues by eating high protein and dieting slowly.
go read some nutrition and physiology textbooks. your ignorance is off the charts- dunning-kruger all day here.
When I say "diet" I'm not speaking about a method of eating or a lifestyle. I am referring specifically to trying to lose weight.
If you're not in a caloric deficit you're not going to lose weight on any diet.
I assumed you were clever enough to understand this yet here you are trying to spike the football as if you know something everyone else on the planet doesn't know.
The same caloric deficit does NOT lead to the same amount of fat loss. It depends what you eat. Fats, carbs, and proteins all require a different amount of energy to digest.
If you have 2 identical twins and 1 eats a high carb diet and 1 eats a moderate carb diet with more protein the twin eating more protein will lose more fat over time.
You don't understand the science you're declaring settled.
If you eat 100 calories of protein you will need to use 30 calories to digest it and only net 70 calories.
If you eat 100 calories of rice you will only need about 5-10 calories to digest and you will net 90-95 calories.
This makes a big difference and adds up over time.
If you were 1/10th as well read as you are arrogant you might know as much about nutrition as a 10th grader.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
an actual doctor wrote:
“if you arent in ketosis the body does not consider fat to be an energy source” looool- what. the. eff. i have never seen such an utterly stupid comment. especially by someone so arrogantly claiming they know about keto lol. go back to school bro, you are utterly embarrassing yourself.
let me try to help you: in ketosis without a calorie deficit, the fat you eat gets stored as fat and despite using fat as your primary energy source- you still can get fatter. when you take your keto diet and get into a calorie deficit, you use fat to convert to ketones for energy and because you are burning more energy than you eat, you lose weight. in a diet with carbs that involves a calorie deficit, you also lose FAT because the energy from carbs is not sufficient to meet your energy needs- youre in a calorie deficit! in a calorie deficit- they both lead to the same amount of fat loss! this is settled science.
hunger is regulated by multiple hormones. leptin and ghrelin are the two major players and as fat is lost - on any diet- leptin, the satiety hormone, drops and ghrelin, the hunger hormone, increases. perhaps some people experience better satiety on keto, perhaps not- it is subjective. i for instance have used high carb diets to get to 5-6% body fat without any hunger issues by eating high protein and dieting slowly.
go read some nutrition and physiology textbooks. your ignorance is off the charts- dunning-kruger all day here.
When I say "diet" I'm not speaking about a method of eating or a lifestyle. I am referring specifically to trying to lose weight.
If you're not in a caloric deficit you're not going to lose weight on any diet.
I assumed you were clever enough to understand this yet here you are trying to spike the football as if you know something everyone else on the planet doesn't know.
The same caloric deficit does NOT lead to the same amount of fat loss. It depends what you eat. Fats, carbs, and proteins all require a different amount of energy to digest.
If you have 2 identical twins and 1 eats a high carb diet and 1 eats a moderate carb diet with more protein the twin eating more protein will lose more fat over time.
You don't understand the science you're declaring settled.
If you eat 100 calories of protein you will need to use 30 calories to digest it and only net 70 calories.
If you eat 100 calories of rice you will only need about 5-10 calories to digest and you will net 90-95 calories.
This makes a big difference and adds up over time.
If you were 1/10th as well read as you are arrogant you might know as much about nutrition as a 10th grader.
im well acquainted with the thermic effect of food.
a study using the same caloric deficit would take tee into account. as you said thermic effect is higher with protein, not high fat as in a keto diet- so again, you prove my point. keto is nothing special- i can eat high protein and high carb and if calories are equated, the weight loss will be equal to someone eating keto.
but yea, im just a dumb 10th grade idiot. lol, youre unhinged brah.
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The only thing that will 💯 work for everyone. Cut out added sugars, alcohol, smoking, all kinds of sauces. Increase vegetables. make zero changes on proteins and fats.
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Almost forgot. Eat a bowl of fiber 1 everyday
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What the f*ck?!?!? It's a simple question.
Does this thread really need to be 6 pages long?
I am NOT reading through all of this crap.
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It is unbelievable. One idiot keeps talking about his keto diet and doesn’t realize he’s getting owned over and over. Then there’s the seed oil conspiracy guy. So yea, expect six more pages.
The summary: cut saturated fats and lose weight. If that doesn’t cut it, consider the statin.
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Statin 10 years. Just had calcium scored=zero. Basically heart attack proof.
10 mg crestor couple times week and I'm good. No side effects
Why complicate things?
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an actual doctor wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
When I say "diet" I'm not speaking about a method of eating or a lifestyle. I am referring specifically to trying to lose weight.
If you're not in a caloric deficit you're not going to lose weight on any diet.
I assumed you were clever enough to understand this yet here you are trying to spike the football as if you know something everyone else on the planet doesn't know.
The same caloric deficit does NOT lead to the same amount of fat loss. It depends what you eat. Fats, carbs, and proteins all require a different amount of energy to digest.
If you have 2 identical twins and 1 eats a high carb diet and 1 eats a moderate carb diet with more protein the twin eating more protein will lose more fat over time.
You don't understand the science you're declaring settled.
If you eat 100 calories of protein you will need to use 30 calories to digest it and only net 70 calories.
If you eat 100 calories of rice you will only need about 5-10 calories to digest and you will net 90-95 calories.
This makes a big difference and adds up over time.
If you were 1/10th as well read as you are arrogant you might know as much about nutrition as a 10th grader.
im well acquainted with the thermic effect of food.
a study using the same caloric deficit would take tee into account. as you said thermic effect is higher with protein, not high fat as in a keto diet- so again, you prove my point. keto is nothing special- i can eat high protein and high carb and if calories are equated, the weight loss will be equal to someone eating keto.
but yea, im just a dumb 10th grade idiot. lol, youre unhinged brah.
There's many ways to do a keto diet.
The 75% of calories from fat plan is a maintenance diet for people who don't need to lose weight.
If you're obese you can eat high protein low fat and you will lose fat faster than a person who isn't in ketosis.
If you're one of the 60% of fat Americans who is insulin resistant keto is even more effective.
Your ego is hilarious brah. There are "experts" on both sides of the debate and the studies haven't been done yet. The fact you're trying to declare your opinion to be final is a testament to your stupidity.
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TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
an actual doctor wrote:
im well acquainted with the thermic effect of food.
a study using the same caloric deficit would take tee into account. as you said thermic effect is higher with protein, not high fat as in a keto diet- so again, you prove my point. keto is nothing special- i can eat high protein and high carb and if calories are equated, the weight loss will be equal to someone eating keto.
but yea, im just a dumb 10th grade idiot. lol, youre unhinged brah.
There's many ways to do a keto diet.
The 75% of calories from fat plan is a maintenance diet for people who don't need to lose weight.
If you're obese you can eat high protein low fat and you will lose fat faster than a person who isn't in ketosis.
If you're one of the 60% of fat Americans who is insulin resistant keto is even more effective.
Your ego is hilarious brah. There are "experts" on both sides of the debate and the studies haven't been done yet. The fact you're trying to declare your opinion to be final is a testament to your stupidity.
I’d say there are experts who understand diets all work about the same when calories are accounted for and people selling you something. maybe youre just a gullible moron? i’d bank on that.
and my ego? im arguing with explanations and references while all you can do is try to insult me. you clearly are compensating for something and at least i have credentials to back my ego up.
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an actual doctor wrote:
TheAdultInTheRoom wrote:
There's many ways to do a keto diet.
The 75% of calories from fat plan is a maintenance diet for people who don't need to lose weight.
If you're obese you can eat high protein low fat and you will lose fat faster than a person who isn't in ketosis.
If you're one of the 60% of fat Americans who is insulin resistant keto is even more effective.
Your ego is hilarious brah. There are "experts" on both sides of the debate and the studies haven't been done yet. The fact you're trying to declare your opinion to be final is a testament to your stupidity.
I’d say there are experts who understand diets all work about the same when calories are accounted for and people selling you something. maybe youre just a gullible moron? i’d bank on that.
and my ego? im arguing with explanations and references while all you can do is try to insult me. you clearly are compensating for something and at least i have credentials to back my ego up.
A study of 6 people is absolutely worthless.
The fact that you hold these terrible studies as gospel is a further testament of your stupidity.
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an actual doctor wrote:
PoisonSeedOils wrote:
Where are you getting your cancer sources from:
And any decrease in deaths from heart attacks/disease is due to medications and treatment. Remove the medications and medical technology (which did not exist 50 years ago) and the deaths skyrocket exponentially. A lot of people are only being kept alive by medications; Americans are exponentially less healthy now than they were 50 years ago.
You deceptively did not post a chart about the number of incidences of cancer, you chose deaths from cancer. There is a lot more cancer today but less people dying from it due to medical technology.
Take a walk outside and just look at everyone. McDonalds substituted vegetable oils for the beef tallow in their fryers in the early 90's and people have gotten substantially fatter.
you posted a chart on prevalence while whining i “deceptively” showed a chart on prevalence lol
ive seen the world and US cancer incidence rates and they are fairly stable for the last 25-30 years. the numbers just dont show what you want them to.
you hold a fringe belief man, theres a reason consensus EXPERT opinion disagrees with you- because youre wrong. its not a conspiracy lol. you are attributing all the complexities of population health to one thing and if it were just that simple and obvious, we would change.
So are you going to ignore the Minnesota Coronary Expirement?
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a metabolic ward trial is the best way to control everything the participants eat. the study size is small but the results are significant given larger studies rely on reports from patients as to what they eat. exposing yourself as a know-nothing moron with every additional post.
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i posted a series of replies from several experts on that a while back. read through it and if youre not convinced, not my problem. dont eat seed oils, i dont care.
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an actual doctor wrote:
a metabolic ward trial is the best way to control everything the participants eat. the study size is small but the results are significant given larger studies rely on reports from patients as to what they eat. exposing yourself as a know-nothing moron with every additional post.
A ward trial with 2 people on each diet... LOL!!
Different diets work better for different people. It's idiotic to think a 2 person study is representative of the population.
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"A wide range of dietary approaches (low-fat to low-carbohydrate/ketogenic, and all points between) can be similarly effective for improving body composition, and this allows flexibility with program design. To date, no controlled, inpatient isocaloric diet comparison where protein is matched between groups has reported a clinically meaningful fat loss or thermic advantage to the lower-carbohydrate or ketogenic diet [60]. The collective evidence in this vein invalidates the carbohydrate-insulin hypothesis of obesity. However, ketogenic diets have shown appetite-suppressing potential exemplified by spontaneous caloric intake reductions in subjects on ketogenic diets without purposeful caloric restriction."
I.e., it's EASIER to lose weight. It requires less will power and, therefore, people are more likely to continue the diet.
It's great that a bed ridden person stuck in a ward can be fed 900 calories a day and lose weight. No one alive but you thinks that guy is going to follow that diet for very long if he doesn't have to.
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