What makes Kelvin kiptum so good?

Thanks for the correction.

Wilson Kipsang was sanctioned for Whereabouts Failures + Tampering, not PEDs.

If we ignore Kipsang (no proven PEDs) and Kiptum (not top 10), then it is unassuring to argue 40%, when only 20% of the top-10 were busted for PEDs.

If we want to talk about proven doping among fast marathon times, Kenya is not the fastest country. It is Ethiopia, with 15 athletes in Kenya's top-10, and 0 busts.

The Kenyans aren't the best at beating the system. That is obvious. However when they show the extent of doping that is occurring in their sport it is also obvious that the feats of their best runners can't be trusted to be genuine. Nor do I believe how Kiptum is running is genuine. But he is not alone in that. He is simply an extreme example.

Where's the answer to my questions? What are the metrics?

I am not interested in your questions. They don't matter. The "metric" that does is his likely doping.

BUMP.

Just two more needed. I would say it's at least 50/50 that 2 more from that list get busted this year.

Ekiru was 14th on the list at the end of 2019. So that's 1/3 of the top 15. And the caught dopers are closely associated with many of the others on the list.

The point is that busts are continuing, and according to the AIU themselves, it's going to get worse this year before it gets better.

At what point does the percentage become so great that it is fair to say that on the balance of probability, any given elite Kenyan is more likely doping than not, and not 'racist' to say this?

Turns out Kenya was also just testing track athletes. Shocking.

Look at it this way. As an example I use Robert De Castella, who ran 2:07:50 is 1986. The shoes were primitive by today's standard. Race fuelling was still pretty new. Heavy shorts/shirt. No pacing. He was a pretty big guy was whose mechanics and action were not ideal (he did well none the less obviously). Doping arguments aside, I don't think it's a stretch to think with super shoes/clothes/fuelling/pacing that for him 2:05 is not inconceivable. Having said that, someone lighter, with better mechanics, with all the advantages of today, maybe a minute or more faster still. So for Kiptum 2:03 is maybe not a stretch with modern training/money incentives with all the above advantages as well. I still though find it difficult to get my head around 2:01 - but I'm tired of the arguments and none of it is my business. anyway. I'm just going to watch the racing. The Diamond League middle distances have been entaining that's for sure. I'm going with that.

Kiptum has just shown that Kenya is the modern day equivalent of E Germany with the sheer extent of its doping.

Having legs that are thinner and lighter than some American pro's arms doesn't hurt.

Born and raised at altitude higher than Boulder and much cleaner air/water doesn't hurt.

Lack of any neanderthal DNA doesn't hurt.

Having a max heartrate almost 20 beats higher than Kipchoge doesn't hurt (means his lactate threshold heart rate is likely several beats higher than Kipchoge too)

If you randomly tuned into any of his SOLO run after the half you'd think he was racing a highly competitive 5K, he was using ALL that heartrate range

VDOT higher than 86, I cannot even comprehend that

Lol, that's a new one. And EPO only works on people with neanderthal DNA. Nice one Hoad.

Which invites the question then,

why are the East AFricans so good?

Hes got crazy flipper fingers, can't hear no buzzers and bells. Dont see no lights a flashin. Runs by sense of smell. Always gets a replay. Never seen him fail..

Theyre all descendants from the same Nilotic tribes from the North.

A bunch of people have talked about being “born and raised at elevation”, or commented on how Ryan Hall lived at elevation. Do you realize how different these are from people that have lived at elevation since the dawn of humanity? They are thin, they are short, and they are adapted to lower levels of oxygen.

We all go train at elevation for an advantage but can’t recognize that a million years of this would be better? Don’t be stupid.

Now, living in East Africa AND doping could be a killer combo, but you’re dumb if you don’t acknowledge millions of years of adaptation.

How come no Bolivians win the strongest man in the world competition?

East Africans are recent migrants to elevation. They're adapted to hot climates which is the real key. That's why there are so many fast runners of Somali or Sudanese descent in the west.

The natives in Machu Picchu with short stubby legs or the Nepalese sherpas don't produce a lot of great runners