A bit of a sketchy decision to allow it and set it up, but I'm sure the record will stand. I just hope this doesn't open a can of worms where high school races become even more of time trials and away from racing other kids like it is supposed to be.
Absolutely nothing 'sketchy' about it. Arcadia has always been about running 2 miles extremely fast. Mission accomplished.
Also, not sure if you saw the three runners in a dead heat at the finish line... that seems like 'racing' to me, no?
Turned out to be a fantastic race. You can have pacing, fast times and great racing at the same time, which is what happened on Saturday. I was just saying I hope it doesn’t continue to become a big trend where you end up with paced time trials taking over for great racing.
With all the debate on this thread, it’s obvious it was a bit of sketchy call. Again, I’m not saying it was against the rules or it shouldn’t count, because of how ambitious the rule is, but anyone who says AS wasn’t a pacer is a complete moron.
How are you arguing if he was pacing? The person accused of pacing said they were pacing. Are you telling Aaron Sahlman he wasn't doing something he said he was doing?
Aaron Sahlman was at Arcadia Invite tonight telling everyone he was pacing the boys 3200m after he won the 800m. Aaron Sahlman was never on the start list of the 3200m. The announcer at the race announced him as pacing as he dropped out right after the 1600m mark. The NFHS rules state:
Rule 4-5-9 Art. 8 It is an unfair act when a competitor receives any assistance from any other person. Assistance includes: a. Interference b. pacing by a teammate or persons not participating in the event f. coaching a competitor from a restricted area
Will this disqualify Aaron from the 800m? does this void his results or effect the others in the 3200m? Or maybe does the NFHS not recognize it? Can anyone explain or have insight?
Wow you people really hate Newbury Park and will anything to get them in hot water
This attitude sucks.
WE are not getting them into hot water. THEY are the ones doing the violations. Don't blame us for pointing it out. It's crazy that you people on here defend them blindly while they blatantly break rules.
If a competitor breaks a rule, they are DQed. He DNFed already. If a fan breaks the rules, they can get a competitor DQed. He wasn't a fan and even if a fan ran out in front, which competitor should be DQed for gaining an advantage? You guys are really making no sense.
If a competitor breaks a rule, they are DQed. He DNFed already. If a fan breaks the rules, they can get a competitor DQed. He wasn't a fan and even if a fan ran out in front, which competitor should be DQed for gaining an advantage? You guys are really making no sense.
Not all rule violations result in a DQ. There are all kinds of rules, like no wind gauge, out of compliance venues, no FAT timing, etc where the result may not count towards a record by the covering body who's rule was violated. So, the runners in the race have a result that is officially recognized by their state governing bodies or other governing bodies, but not recognized as a record by the governing body whose rule was broken, in this case NFHS.
All of the competitors in the race benefit from a pacer. Those in the race with a pacer, have an advantage over those who run in races where there is no pacing. Having records make those competing in different races competitors as they are competing to break a common record.
Your opinion doesn't matter. My opinion doesn't matter. The race counted.
I am well aware that the race counted.
But you said that Aaron Sahlman wasn't a pacer in the 3200. That's not a matter of opinion. You're just wrong.
Correct, and this also should guide where this thread goes.
Pacing is not legal. This race had a pacer. The race results still count and nothing seems to be happening further.
SO>>>
Does this mean that the rule should be changed and pacing should be allowed?
Or do we think that the rule should remain, it should have some teeth (an actual punishment), and the race directors should refrain from breaking the rule again in the future?
An unenforced rule is a bad rule. Choosing to look the other way when rules are broken is bad policy. Either change or enforce the rule.
The consequence of the rule being violated is that a competitor is disqualified. I see that a few of you just can't grasp that. When a competitor benefits from a teammate or a fan pacing them, they are to be disqualified. It doesn't nullify the results for the other competitors.
Can everyone please calm down. Good god, this is not the end of the earth, and yes, there are unenforced rules in every venue, in every business or sport.
Aaron Sahlman was at Arcadia Invite tonight telling everyone he was pacing the boys 3200m after he won the 800m. Aaron Sahlman was never on the start list of the 3200m. The announcer at the race announced him as pacing as he dropped out right after the 1600m mark. The NFHS rules state:
Rule 4-5-9 Art. 8 It is an unfair act when a competitor receives any assistance from any other person. Assistance includes: a. Interference b. pacing by a teammate or persons not participating in the event f. coaching a competitor from a restricted area
Will this disqualify Aaron from the 800m? does this void his results or effect the others in the 3200m? Or maybe does the NFHS not recognize it? Can anyone explain or have insight?
A kid entered in an event can pace others and then drop out all they want. This rule is in reference to people NOT in the race providing pacing. It is why HS coaches have to remind over-enthusiastic kids on their team not to run along side their teammates down the homestretch screaming and cheering during the 4x4 or whatever. It is NOT a rule banning what Aaron did. Dummies.
While it was ridiculous and he went out in 25s for the first 200M and he didn’t help the race whatsoever - I don’t have any problem with it. Gary Martin paced the first 800M of the Brooks PR Mile and nobody spoke out against it. The field basically ignored him.