Deadlifting 600 is rare. NBA level basketball ability is by definition rare.
A 59-second 400 is NOTHING, nothing at all compared to those. I am in my late 40s and can do that any day at all, training less than two hours per week.
Almost any NBA player could run a 28 and likely a 59, even the big men. I hate to break it to you but that is very athletic.
Quoting myself because the post was just so good and accurate.
For fun, before my morning run I did a 58-second 400 by myself before work today.
Again, I am in my late 40s, never accomplished ANYTHING of note in running (didn't even run in college) and train 3-4 times per week.
AND PEOPLE DON'T THINK AN NBA ATHLETE CAN DO THIS? As a masters hobbyjogger this is actually very flattering.
I had a shot putter teammate in high school that was 5'11" 270 pounds and we had a fun 4x400 relay at the one of the mid season meets senior year and he ran 70 seconds.
Idk if I believe Zion running sub 60 second 400s unless it was just 1 and that's still unlikely.
What does your fat friend from high school have to do with anything. He obviously wasn't even on the same planet as Zion athletically.
If anything, your post about Tubbo McShots running 70sec off of HS thrower training shows how EASY it would be for a much, much, much, much more athletic big man to do a 60.
Yeah, I can't see why anyone would doubt Williamson's ability to do this. Aren't there like HS that come out for track each year who run sub60 right out of the box? Lots and lots and lots of people can run a quarter under 60. So, a pro NBAer freak of nature can probably do it, too.
Yeah, I can't see why anyone would doubt Williamson's ability to do this. Aren't there like HS that come out for track each year who run sub60 right out of the box? Lots and lots and lots of people can run a quarter under 60. So, a pro NBAer freak of nature can probably do it, too.
What does your fat friend from high school have to do with anything. He obviously wasn't even on the same planet as Zion athletically.
If anything, your post about Tubbo McShots running 70sec off of HS thrower training shows how EASY it would be for a much, much, much, much more athletic big man to do a 60.
Yeah Zion has apparently been doing this training including a warmup jog and 400m repeats for months. Can the average NBA power forward just roll out of bed and go to track and run sub-60? Maybe not. But can the guy who's been busting his ass with track work and is an athletic freak do it? Yeah, and he can probably run 24 or 25 in the 200 with a rolling start as well.
Deadlifting 600 is rare. NBA level basketball ability is by definition rare.
A 59-second 400 is NOTHING, nothing at all compared to those. I am in my late 40s and can do that any day at all, training less than two hours per week.
Almost any NBA player could run a 28 and likely a 59, even the big men. I hate to break it to you but that is very athletic.
Quoting myself because the post was just so good and accurate.
For fun, before my morning run I did a 58-second 400 by myself before work today.
Again, I am in my late 40s, never accomplished ANYTHING of note in running (didn't even run in college) and train 3-4 times per week.
AND PEOPLE DON'T THINK AN NBA ATHLETE CAN DO THIS? As a masters hobbyjogger this is actually very flattering.
It is pretty rare to see someone go out of their way to brag about wasted talent and missed opportunities from their youth. You say you didn't run in college... maybe you played another sport?
I don't doubt Zion ran under 60 for 400 - it is not particularly fast for either serious young runners or many professional athletes. It is pretty fast for someone as big as him - even professional athletes - but his whole game relies on being a standout athlete even among his peers.
Deadlifting 600 is rare. NBA level basketball ability is by definition rare.
A 59-second 400 is NOTHING, nothing at all compared to those. I am in my late 40s and can do that any day at all, training less than two hours per week.
Almost any NBA player could run a 28 and likely a 59, even the big men. I hate to break it to you but that is very athletic.
Quoting myself because the post was just so good and accurate.
For fun, before my morning run I did a 58-second 400 by myself before work today.
Again, I am in my late 40s, never accomplished ANYTHING of note in running (didn't even run in college) and train 3-4 times per week.
AND PEOPLE DON'T THINK AN NBA ATHLETE CAN DO THIS? As a masters hobbyjogger this is actually very flattering.
Lol. You guys it’s not exactly a sub 2 marathon attempt. I’m pretty sure the NBA super freak athlete can clock a sub sixty if he trains for it a little bit. Ask yourself why he would lie in an SI puff piece and what’s a time you would believe. He could just sub 65 or sub 70 and 99% of people wouldn’t know the difference, including maybe even Zion himself.
Unless you played D1 basketball, you have no experience playing basketball at that level. "Serious full court" isn't remotely the same as the physical demands required to play at that level.
Considering that I've blown by DI level hoopers on the basketball court, reliant nearly entirely on my raw speed than basketball skill, and they were blown AWAY by what that level of speed actually looked and felt like (as opposed to "basketball speed and quickness"), I'm pretty sure basketball specific people just don't have a real understanding of what track speed type stuff really entails. Perhaps in the same way that YOU think that I can't understand the physical demands of high level basketball.
However, seeing as defending in basketball requires lateral forces and movement COMPLETELY unrelated to flat sprints/track movement, and involves spaces covering anywhere from drives inside and around the three point line to base line to base line efforts (more rare), which even for a full court sprint doesn't even cover 30 meters.
30 meters rarely qualifies even as a full drive phase for any short sprinter worth his salt, so it would seem to me that no matter HOW "fit" the most elite of elite hoopers are for their sport, believing they even have a concept for what track fitness even IS is like thinking marathoners can break 12 over 100 meters off their marathon training.
Look up that debate on letsrun for more reference on that comparison. Unless Curry does dedicated track work in his off season, or even in season....then meet me at the track or court and we can settle our discussions there.
I think the part you’re missing is that running a 60 second 400 doesn’t have anything to do with what you’re calling “track speed” either. For somebody with your “track speed” (or Zion’s court speed), running a 60 second quarter is basically jogging quickly for a little longer than is comfortable. I’d find it more surprising, not less surprising, for a random 3:00 marathoner to run a 60 second quarter than for a 285-pound NBA player to run a 60 second quarter.
I think the part you’re missing is that running a 60 second 400 doesn’t have anything to do with what you’re calling “track speed” either. For somebody with your “track speed” (or Zion’s court speed), running a 60 second quarter is basically jogging quickly for a little longer than is comfortable. I’d find it more surprising, not less surprising, for a random 3:00 marathoner to run a 60 second quarter than for a 285-pound NBA player to run a 60 second quarter.
Semi-related: there was an article on Runner's World about Aaron Judge's home run trots, and what pace he runs them at. First note, he is slower than the league average. I'm going to guess everyone here would probably think he's running them at 7 or 8 minute pace especially considering it's 3 turns with no bonus points for running fast. Well you'd be wrong then, he runs them at roughly 5:50 pace. The league average is around 5:20 pace on home run trots. Baseball players are often far less explosive than basketball players.
So yes I completely agree, well-conditioned athletes in basketball are going to find 60-second pace a fast "jog." No, it's not a distance they'd love, but with conditioning work like Zion's doing it's simply not fast running.
I think the part you’re missing is that running a 60 second 400 doesn’t have anything to do with what you’re calling “track speed” either. For somebody with your “track speed” (or Zion’s court speed), running a 60 second quarter is basically jogging quickly for a little longer than is comfortable. I’d find it more surprising, not less surprising, for a random 3:00 marathoner to run a 60 second quarter than for a 285-pound NBA player to run a 60 second quarter.
Semi-related: there was an article on Runner's World about Aaron Judge's home run trots, and what pace he runs them at. First note, he is slower than the league average. I'm going to guess everyone here would probably think he's running them at 7 or 8 minute pace especially considering it's 3 turns with no bonus points for running fast. Well you'd be wrong then, he runs them at roughly 5:50 pace. The league average is around 5:20 pace on home run trots. Baseball players are often far less explosive than basketball players.
So yes I completely agree, well-conditioned athletes in basketball are going to find 60-second pace a fast "jog." No, it's not a distance they'd love, but with conditioning work like Zion's doing it's simply not fast running.
Actually, I think baseball is the ultimate fast twitch (explosive) sport. They stand around and do nothing, then explode for a few seconds (running) or less than 2/10 of a second (swinging the bat). It's also why softball is such a great way for old guys to get injured.
But wow, I never would have guessed anyone was running a home run trot that fast.
Actually, I think baseball is the ultimate fast twitch (explosive) sport. They stand around and do nothing, then explode for a few seconds (running) or less than 2/10 of a second (swinging the bat). It's also why softball is such a great way for old guys to get injured.
But wow, I never would have guessed anyone was running a home run trot that fast.
Oh, I guess I phrased it a little off. When they're doing the trot, it looks like a jog like when they're going in and out of the inning, right? Not the sprint to stretch to a double or run down a fly ball. Baseball players don't feel on average as explosively fast to me running-wise, though obviously some are (guys who steal bases, hit triples). For the others, their swings and throwing motions seem to be where the explosion is. Most NBA players (non big men/specialists) are crazy explosive as far as their first step or their jumping ability. There's so much running involved including fast-breaking that being slow is a major handicap.
Lol. You guys it’s not exactly a sub 2 marathon attempt. I’m pretty sure the NBA super freak athlete can clock a sub sixty if he trains for it a little bit. Ask yourself why he would lie in an SI puff piece and what’s a time you would believe. He could just sub 65 or sub 70 and 99% of people wouldn’t know the difference, including maybe even Zion himself.
Lol. You guys it’s not exactly a sub 2 marathon attempt. I’m pretty sure the NBA super freak athlete can clock a sub sixty if he trains for it a little bit. Ask yourself why he would lie in an SI puff piece and what’s a time you would believe. He could just sub 65 or sub 70 and 99% of people wouldn’t know the difference, including maybe even Zion himself.
I dunno
6'7" 285 pounds.
well since you've been on the wrong side of pretty much every argument on Letsrun.......I guess it's decided.
I think the part you’re missing is that running a 60 second 400 doesn’t have anything to do with what you’re calling “track speed” either. For somebody with your “track speed” (or Zion’s court speed), running a 60 second quarter is basically jogging quickly for a little longer than is comfortable. I’d find it more surprising, not less surprising, for a random 3:00 marathoner to run a 60 second quarter than for a 285-pound NBA player to run a 60 second quarter.
Semi-related: there was an article on Runner's World about Aaron Judge's home run trots, and what pace he runs them at. First note, he is slower than the league average. I'm going to guess everyone here would probably think he's running them at 7 or 8 minute pace especially considering it's 3 turns with no bonus points for running fast. Well you'd be wrong then, he runs them at roughly 5:50 pace. The league average is around 5:20 pace on home run trots. Baseball players are often far less explosive than basketball players.
So yes I completely agree, well-conditioned athletes in basketball are going to find 60-second pace a fast "jog." No, it's not a distance they'd love, but with conditioning work like Zion's doing it's simply not fast running.
5:20 pace is 80 secs per 400m and they are running 120m around the bases.
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