If electric cars are really better, why do you need to ban gasoline cars?

1) Are you asking for studies that take everything into account and show that EVs are a lot greener? There have been plenty. Here is one. I haven't examined it closely, but if you don't like that one just Google for more. Every reputable study shows that lifetime emissions for an EV is much, much lower than gas cars.

theicct.org

A global comparison of the life-cycle greenhouse gas emissions of combustion engine and electric passenger cars - International Council on Clean Transportation

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Life-cycle assessment of the greenhouse gas emissions of passenger cars in China, Europe, India, and the United States, which together account for about 70% of new passenger car sales worldwide.

Link:theicct.org/publication/a-global-compa...

2) Yes, every nation needs to do its part. I suspect that your mother taught you if someone else is doing something bad that doesn't mean you can do it too.

That is funny. That says the Biden administration predicts that EVs will make up 21% of new car sales by 2050. But our EV "expert" Fat Hurts keeps insisting that 90% of new car sales by 2030 will be EVs. They can't both be right, can they?

Your points would be more effective if you didn’t lie.

It surely takes more than a minute to get off the road, pull into a gas station, come to a complete stop, put the car in park, get out of the car, get your card out, process the transaction, open your gas cap, grab the pump, select your octane, place the nozzle on your gas tank and then start pumping.

Then it takes more than a minute to fill the tank. Some pumps are pretty slow.

Then put the pump back, close the gas cap and door, get into your and start making your way back to your destination.

And on typical non-travel weeks, you have to do that once a week.
Charging your EV at home, you never have to do that during a typical week.

With a gas car, there are time savings only when you are traveling long distances, which are for most people.

With an EV, there are time savings in every day life.

They both speak as if experts on the subject so they are both right depending upon who's expert opinion fits your preferred narrative. They both have many years to be "right" before they are more than likely actually wrong.

I said "road stop" so that excludes gettting off the road, pulling into a gas station, coming to a complete stop. The clock starts ticking when I put the car in park. It takes 10 seconds for me to put my card in and select the fuel type. Then it is smooth going for a minute. Then I am off!

Most of this discussion doesn’t have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

To stay on topic, sometimes regulations get put in for the betterment of society, not because of one-off value of particular transactions.

Example:

It’s a good business move for chemical plants to dump poison in nearby reservoirs, but it’s not good for people.

I don’t care for the idea of the total ban, myself.
I think there should and will be exceptions.

I think multiple car households should have an EV and a gas car for different situations.
And many one car people will be better off with a gas car, even 15 years from now.
And they do need to support the current gas pump infrastructure.

I just drive up to my car dealership around the corner on Saturday night, plug in to their free level 2 charger and pick the car up the next morning fully charged for the week for free. I'm saving about $300/mo on fuel vs if I had a gasoline vehicle.

Lol. Is this how the woke will endlessly live through their lives? Searching for something on the internet, finding something they like, and then providing what they found as the truth and only the truth? And if you disagree they start foaming at the mouth. Not once do you stop and and think this organization -ICCT is knee deep into this green agenda and what they provide will be extremely biased? I've seen work where the total emissions dont differ much or are skewed towards ICE having lower overall emissions.

Yeah, I know. I was responding to the poster who said that soon after you will not be able to legally operate an ICE car. I don’t think that will happen in my lifetime, and I’m in my mid 40s.

I think EVs have great advantages, and will someday improve the overall driving experience. Some already do, but they are the models that cost north of $100K and well above that in certain cases.

I still say it’s not the same experience as shifting your own gears in a lightweight ICE car with a glorious exhaust tone. I’ve done plenty of track racing and driven super cars on the road, and driving slow cars quickly is much more fun than driving fast cars slowly.

I’d buy the Taycan TurboS or the Lucid Air if I had an extra $200K to drop on a 4th car, but I’ll likely get a BMW iX or a Rivian SUV in 5 years or so to replace my daily X5. I’m keeping my M2 CS 6 speed, as it’s amazing and I think it will be worth 50+% more than I paid for it in 10 years. It’s already 20% more than I paid on the used market.

A road stop is the time you lose vs if you didn’t have to stop for fuel at all.

Say you and another vehicle are traveling on the road to the same destination.
You pull over for your “one minute” to fill your gas tank, then continue. The other car keeps going.

How many minutes will the other vehicle be ahead of you once you are back on the same path? I am sure it’s more than one.

Your EV likely cost about $60,000 versus a $30,000 ICE. That $30,000 in savings you can invest and it will be worth $60,000 in 6 years at historical returns and $120,000 in 12 years at historical returns. I think I will go with the ICE.

I am definitely getting another new gas powered stick shift before they stop being made.

I’m looking to get a $60,000 ICE vs an EV for the same amount, so your financial numbers don’t work for me.

I’m obviously arguing both sides.

I went to the bathroom when I bought gas. Each stop was about five minutes. I did not stop to eat. The trip took about 9:30 and I was ready to be done in the last half hour. Three 20 minute stops would have extended the trip by about an hour even if it gets me out of a five minute bi weekly stop at a gas station or a semi annual 20 minute stop at Jiffy Lube.

So there’s a study in England that claims that the average car is driven around 4% of the time. The scarcity and and cost of the metals used in producing batteries for electric cars can’t be justified at that level of usage. So the thought is to ban or limit private ownership of vehicles…at least that’s the rationale for the conclusion. Instead, why wouldn’t you allow a person to have a gas powered vehicle if that’s how little they use it? Logical and the likely answers tell you a lot about motives.

The people in California who made this choice are on a state government board. The comparison with voting to legalize marijuana is way off the mark.

You shouldn't get rid of your gas car just to buy an EV. You are correct that doing so is not good for the environment.

But when it comes time to buy a new car, get an EV or you will regret your purchase.

Over the last 10 years, Tesla has dramatically lowered cost and increased range without increasing battery volume. Yes, they have made a ton of progress.