Is WERKWUHA GETACHEW a genetic male?

Ok so for 75 dollars u can get a test that detects the y chrom (male/ open category), why all the fuss?

I agree it does not seem fair to allow intersex or trans males to compete in women's events. There needs to be a hormonal measure of testosterone levels to establish criteria for entry. It is clear that Getachew is male compared to female contestants.

The current DSD regulations also cover people with PAIS, who do not have normal androgen receptors, and therefore cannot achieve the peak levels of physical fitness that other XY athletes can.

This point was emphasized in Chand v. IAAF, and IAAF completely accepted it.

But whether they have the same advantage as other XY athletes is not the point, according to CAS. Because DSD regulations are about the eligibility in women's sports, and not about men's sports.

Getachew is male compared to males as well

Yea, I noticed that as well; nobody embraced or took a selfie with her -or him. However, you have got to give her -or him a lot of credit for going from a half-miler to medaling in the 5000 in one year. It is only a matter of time before the intersex athletes start to dominate the female 100, 200 and 5000. Sad!

Exactly.

Again, Britain Triathlon has already gone down the road of creating policy to protect the female division for those who are "female sex at birth."

I wish they were using the term "XX Division" and not Female and Open Divisions, but it is what it is.

This policy could easily apply to DSD athletes with a little tweak to the language.

As for the question about "proving your chromosomes" and "who is going to pay for the tests" and whatnot... don't we as fans generally support testing for doping, both in and out of competition?

Testing chromosomes is cheap and easy and would be a drop in the bucket compared to drug testing, and an athlete would only have to be tested once in their entire life, not over and over.

Cost is a non-issue.

Yes, true. But people with PAIS have at least partial ability to respond to the testosterone that their testes produce in massive amounts as males customarily do. Which means that they are not female, and they also have a leg up over females in sports that gives them an unfair advantage.

I suspect that amongst the overall male population, there is enormous variability in androgen receptor function and thus ability to utilize the T that the testes produce.

But for me, the focus on XY DSD athletes' testes, testosterone levels and ability to respond to testes-produced T should all be beside the point in discussions of women's sports. Women's sports should be for the half of the human race who are biologically female - not for female humans AND males with a host of DSDs and gender identity issues.

The ridiculous rules established to allow DSD and trans-identified males into women's sports so long as they can demonstrate that their T has been lower than a certain threshold for a time opens the door to let in any males who have low T for any reason.

As discussed before, I don't think anyone with testes belongs in women's sports, but I am willing to compromise when it comes to XY persons with CAIS. Unfortunately, the loophole created to accommodate XY athletes with CAIS has been taken advantage of by a host of other XY DSD athletes whose DSDs are not like CAIS - and now by a worryingly large number of males claiming they "identify as" women and girls too.

No. That's not impressive at all. A MALE who beat females in an 800 can beat females in the steeplechase or 5k the very next week.

Heck, even a good HIGH SCHOOL male can do that.

The synthesis is one open division in which anyone can run, and one division for xx only. It is both fair and 100% inclusive. Eliminate the names "men's" and "women's" and call them "open" and "restricted" or whatever. That way no one is forced to run in a division named for a gender with which they do not identify. Instead, everyone has an opportunity to run, and everyone runs in a division based upon underlying biology, which is the reason why we have divisions in the first place.

Having a trans or intersex athlete who identifies as a woman run in the open division -- as a woman -- would do far more to further the general acceptance of trans and intersex people than having them run against XX athletes, which only angers a vast majority of the population and is not good for moving acceptance of trans-people forward. Imagine someone with Bruce Jenner's ability winning a decathlon gold medal as Caitlyn Jenner. In 1976 this may not have been accepted, but now it would help enormously.

No, females are not simply males minus the dangly bits, add "tubes and boobs" and take away some T. Females are different to males in innumerable ways. Since the era of modern genetics and cell biology began in the 1990s, a vast body of research shows that due to our different genetics, human males and females are physically different in thousands of previously-unknown ways. To wit:

A new University of California, Irvine-led study identifies sex-specific circuits of muscle signaling to other tissues and that the organs and processes muscle impacts are markedly different between males and females. This new discovery provides insight into how muscle functions, such as exercise, promote healthy longevity, metabolism and improve cognition.

The study, titled, “Genetic variation of putative myokine signaling is dominated by biologic sex and sex hormones,” published in eLife, is the first to evaluate how genetic architecture influences muscle signaling to other tissues...

“We already know that skeletal muscle plays an integral role in coordinating physiologic homeostasis. In this study, we sought to understand how muscle interacts with metabolic tissues and illustrate the importance of considering the effects of genetic sex and sexual hormones when studying metabolism,” said Seldin.

Agree with everything you said.

Seems like a misunderstanding of the concept. Everyone would be welcome in the open field, so no sorting required.

It is entry into the protected women's category that would require tests (which are now hormonal, but could be chromosomal or other in future). The good news is that these things seem obvious to the trained eye, so you may not have to test everyone the way you do with PEDs.

Just as it isn't fair for some trans or intersex athletes to run against women, it is unfair to force them to only compete against men. That is exclusionary, not inclusive. There should be a trans and intersex category, but there usually aren't enough people to make that competitive. Actually, Semenya vs. Getachew in the 800 would make a good race this year.

They have a right to compete, but we have to make sure they have fair competition. It seems that Semenya and Getachew are a little beyond the limit many people are comfortable with, even though they are within the standards that have been set.

Strange that she ran a wold class 800 meter time last year,dissapeared before the olympics,and re appeared in the steeplechase a year later,running 8.54.

BS. DSD is an evolutionary dead end, people with a DSD are not capable of (unassisted) reproduction.

Seb Coe can't hand down these rules fast enough. I'm glad FINNA took a stand after the Lia Thomas debacle.

9:00 has only been broken 22 times in history by a total of 9 women. Prior to 2016, it had only been broken once. I guess a woman is not a great 10K runner if she hasn't broken 30:07.

It's even easier to have them do an XX or XY test.

Because even if they have lowered their testosteron, they have had the advantage of a male puberty.